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Chad

New way to deal with thin handles???
« on: August 08, 2018, 01:34:15 AM »

Okay, a little bit of clickbait here, as it's not something new - a fair few companies such as B3 and Kelsall have done this. Having seen a fair few Indian bats have very thin oval handles, and me being one who avoids double gripping if possible, I've decided to double bind 2 of my SS cricket bats. Two reasons for this: The handle was extremely thin and I feel that a second round of binding will probably help with the durability of the thin handle/prevent the handle from delaminating too soon/aggressively, hence increasing the lifespan of the shoulders and the bat.

Lovely example of a butterfly low grade bat: (As a side note, Laver sell Butterfly Gold grades for like $800... Saw one on facebook on auction and nearly spat out my coffee when they mentioned the RRP. Looked lovely, and I understand the premium product thing, but it is butterfly... Eventually went for $580 USD - that's 450 ish)






The Laver Butterfly. (Absolutely gorgeous, and I'd probably have been allured for 300 ish... I've really gone off topic, but this has genuinely got to be one of the most beautiful butterflies, but also frustrating that it's been priced so high... This should probably be discussion for another thread!)







As you can see in the following pictures, the shoulders are reasonable sized, but aren't exactly the thickest. The handle feels like what I'd expect a size 6 to have in terms of girth.





So at the start of the process, I decided to weigh the bat, and it came in on the scales at 2lb 7.32oz ungripped. I started off by gluing the binding - all of it as I found that the binding from the factory felt a bit to fabric-ey, suggesting that it hadn't been glued post bind.



As a fan of more oval handles, I decided to put on some tennis overgrip tape just to pad out the handle slightly. It makes it very ever so slightly oval, the difference is a little noticeable, but almost negligible. I decided to do this before binding:



To start off the binding, I had about an inch of binding at the top which was parallel to the handle, which I then overlapped with binding. This is to ensure that the twine at the top of the handle doesn't come loose. I spread some glue along about a 1.5 inch length of handle and then started binding. I pretty much rinsed and repeated this till the end.

And a few pics of the ending of the binding (Actually messed up and had to unravel a bit, but just to demonstrate what you are trying to do to get the twine to end underneath the binding) What I learned was that the loop can get stuck under the binding IF you either have too much binding, or you glued the handle prior to the end part. What I would recommend is leaving about 2cm before the loop, and don't glue the handle underneath as you're wrapping round then pulling through. Only glue the binding after you've finished pulling the loop through and tightened the twine, and then cut off the excess twine once the glue has set a bit. If I wasn't so slow at binding by hand, this issue would probably not happen!














Aaaand the end weight? 2lb 8.31oz. This is a 1oz increase, but I suspect would have been around 0.7-0.8oz without the overgrip and insulating tape.




The gripped weight was 2lb 9.9oz, and it felt much better in the hands, especially without the sudden dip in the middle of the handle thanks to the overgrip tape. This might seem like a pointless thread, but I wanted to see if any batmakers agree with me here regarding the benefits of a second layer of binding. It allows for almost like a double gripped feel, except with what I reckon would be extra sturdiness of the handle and also around 0.8oz less weight. Also, if you find that the binding ends quite high up the handle, you can rectify this by binding even further down, which I did for around 3-4 rounds, as I didn't feel it was massively high up.

Oh, and in terms of time taken, it was done entirely by hand and took me 45 minutes, so quite a lengthy process, but the end result was satisfying. Hope this wasn't too boring, and provides some sort of platform about discussion regarding handles. They're probably one of the 3 most important parts of a bat, with the other 2 being pressing and shaping/balancing. Without a good quality handle/join, you won't get the best out of a piece of willow in terms of longevity and performance - the reason why I'm hesitant at times with bats from Asia as they can come with filler and super thin handles.
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2018, 05:19:12 AM »

Nice thread , nice job.
I take the twine off my bats and replace with medical tape and leave the bottom inch or so of binding (to achieve something similar to oz gn process). I only do this because my arthritic hands needs very thin handles .
If i could cope with thicker handles i would wqnt double binding on my handles . I think it can firm up the handle and help transfer more power through to the ball on impact .
On a side note , if anyone wants to thicken/strengthen  their handles but dont want to /can't  add an extra layer of binding , then medical tape over the binding may be a worthwhile option .
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2018, 07:13:39 AM »

Cracking job!!

And that laver is stunning
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2018, 07:16:13 AM »

Great work @Chad nice little demo for those who might wish to thicken things up 👍
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2018, 08:09:58 AM »

Ever easy binding by hand but that's a neat job 45 mins for hand binding is about right.
Also as well as what you have written double binding  will  help reduce any vibration through the handle which is common with bats from Asia.
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2018, 08:30:02 AM »

Great thread @Chad

I've just done this on my bat too. Double bound and double gripped to finally get some decent thickness in it. Why oh why do brands struggle to make decent handles like GM?*




* I know why but it is still frustrating to struggle to find decent thickness handles
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2018, 08:59:25 AM »

Great thread @Chad

I've just done this on my bat too. Double bound and double gripped to finally get some decent thickness in it. Why oh why do brands struggle to make decent handles like GM?*




* I know why but it is still frustrating to struggle to find decent thickness handles

Guess the main reason is so many sales are done online these days, and thick handle equals more weight.

GM, B3 and Aldred have all done good chunky handles for me.
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2018, 10:52:19 AM »

Nice thread , nice job.
I take the twine off my bats and replace with medical tape and leave the bottom inch or so of binding (to achieve something similar to oz gn process). I only do this because my arthritic hands needs very thin handles .
If i could cope with thicker handles i would wqnt double binding on my handles . I think it can firm up the handle and help transfer more power through to the ball on impact .
On a side note , if anyone wants to thicken/strengthen  their handles but dont want to /can't  add an extra layer of binding , then medical tape over the binding may be a worthwhile option .
Sure I saw a video with Rohit Sharma doing exactly that and explaining that it helps strengthen the handle, using ever so slightly more around the bottom hand.
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2018, 11:33:47 AM »

Been doing this for years, and completely agree with your logic. A few potential tips that you may want to consider for next time:

1. use gloves (even cheap plastic ones) to prevent blisters
2. buy extra thick twine - i usually need 3 grips, so getting extra thick twine really helps.

you'll get faster and more efficient each time you do this
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2018, 12:37:38 PM »

Guess the main reason is so many sales are done online these days, and thick handle equals more weight.

GM, B3 and Aldred have all done good chunky handles for me.

That is why I said I know why  ;) Same as thin shoulders, thin toes, over drying, etc, etc, etc
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2018, 01:40:46 PM »

That LW has the perfect profile for me
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2018, 03:27:10 PM »

Which is better/ recommended twin thread or that cotton tape?

Cotton tape looks to be easy and mess free.
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2018, 03:42:32 PM »

Which is better/ recommended twin thread or that cotton tape?

Cotton tape looks to easy and mess free.

Traditional cotton is what batmakers use it's stronger and easier to work with.
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Re: New way to deal with thin handles???
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2018, 03:46:44 PM »

That LW has the perfect profile for me

Yep I like it as well but 450 for butterfly willow
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