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DorsetDan

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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #60 on: January 02, 2019, 10:55:13 AM »

The standard mid/low sweetspot duckbill VK shape seems like the most popular shape nowadays

Dont mention duckbills to @Northern monkey ! :)

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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2019, 10:57:00 AM »

Thoughts on shape/profile?

I really like that one at the top of your page 18. Looks great and I think you could get the same bat out of both clefts.  Should have them over to you mid next week.
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #62 on: January 02, 2019, 12:14:08 PM »

Thoughts on shape/profile?
Both should be same profile to compare later on. Personally I like full profile no to minimum concaving with wood spread all across.
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #63 on: January 02, 2019, 11:05:57 PM »

I'd either go for batmaker's choice on profile or something fairly generic, mid middle etc. so as not to skew people's judgement. Looking forward to seeing how this progresses, top stuff @JK Lewis !
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #64 on: January 03, 2019, 12:55:23 AM »

The narrow grain has a lot of heartwood. Does that add to the weight and lesser mositure loss?
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2019, 07:46:04 AM »

The narrow grain has a lot of heartwood. Does that add to the weight and lesser mositure loss?

That's a good question. I've wondered about it myself, my suspicion is that heartwood is a little heavier. I can't prove it either way with this current test, but I'll look for suitable wood to experiment with.

In theory the new bat regs limit the top of the weight range that would be available. In practice it probably doesn't matter as few players want massively heavy bats anyway. But, if heartwood is actually heavier, then a completely heartwood bat might offer a few extra ounces that sapwood might not.
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2019, 06:18:08 PM »

In theory the new bat regs limit the top of the weight range that would be available.

That's interesting, I didn't know (or think) about this. What do you think is the upper limit that a bat maker/pro can get away with these days?
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #67 on: January 03, 2019, 06:28:46 PM »

You're not going to struggle to make a 3lb+ bat that still fits through the gauges so I think most people should still be covered. If you've got a dense bit of wood (or even "average" density) then I can't see it changing anything, the gauges aren't small

Also, density is density. Sure heartwood may generally be denser but that isn't to say you can't find a full heartwood cleft and full sapwood cleft that aren't the same density/ weight.
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #68 on: January 03, 2019, 07:47:12 PM »

That's interesting, I didn't know (or think) about this. What do you think is the upper limit that a bat maker/pro can get away with these days?

@DorsetDan is right, 3lb+ is still comfortably possible, and if you wanted even heavier you could use a less-dried cleft anyway, or a different type of wood. So in practise, as I said earlier, the new regs don't really have an effect on this. I just find it interesting to ponder what new limitations might mean. Personally I think there are better ways to achieve a rebalancing of bat and ball, but hey, that's a debate for another thread!
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #69 on: January 10, 2019, 03:36:19 PM »



Clefts arrived Justin
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #70 on: January 10, 2019, 05:44:03 PM »



Clefts arrived Justin

Excellent! Thanks mate, I'm excited to see the results.  :)
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #71 on: January 10, 2019, 06:21:46 PM »



We all ok with this shape?
Weights gonna be 2.11 ish finished,,,, theres a lot of wood in that profile
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #72 on: January 10, 2019, 06:52:47 PM »



We all ok with this shape?
Weights gonna be 2.11 ish finished,,,, theres a lot of wood in that profile

Looks a lovely shape...
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Re: Narrow Grain vs Wide Grain - Amateur Science
« Reply #73 on: January 10, 2019, 08:26:34 PM »



We all ok with this shape?
Weights gonna be 2.11 ish finished,,,, theres a lot of wood in that profile

This is great. 2.11 should be good for most of us, and will give a decent middle.
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