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Re: Grading - the great mystery
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2018, 03:27:11 PM »

To be fair to JS Wright's, they do say lower grade willow is equally likely to perform.

Or maybe this is just what they have to shift most of?

From what I understand, you can't buy from them top grades only so you are required to take the low end stuff as well.  Of course the manufacturers have a vested interest on talking up low grade stuff as they do have to shift it
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Re: Grading - the great mystery
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2018, 03:31:04 PM »

To be fair to JS Wright's, they do say lower grade willow is equally likely to perform.

Or maybe this is just what they have to shift most of?

Much more lower grades to shift than top grade that's why batmakers have to  purchase in ratios
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Re: Grading - the great mystery
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2018, 03:47:27 PM »

Makes sense and I guess that's where the skill.of the batmaker comes in in terms of pressing the lower grades to perform or making any form of food to perform better than it should .

I will probably never buy a grade 1 plus ever again

There's no point . A lighter weight butterfly is unebelivable performer
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Re: Grading - the great mystery
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2018, 04:34:03 PM »

From what I understand, you can't buy from them top grades only so you are required to take the low end stuff as well.  Of course the manufacturers have a vested interest on talking up low grade stuff as they do have to shift it

But they don't? They talk up the higher grades - which many of us believe are no more likely to perform.
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Re: Grading - the great mystery
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2018, 05:06:31 PM »

Here is my view on grading. Personally I refuse to pay the price for a G1 bat as I honestly do not believe that grade or cost equals a better performing bat nor indeed does it mean a better looking bay grains wise or size density in a lot of instances.
This is a selection of some of my bats from GM and GN & Kook. All of these in my opinion could be classed as G1 except the Zelos with the hard bar in the playing area. These range from G2 in the GMs all being sig grades or 606 in Zelos case to G5 in the case of the Kook.
They all weigh under 2.10 and all have at least 36mm edges with little concaving the Kook ghost being a full shape as well.
Cost wise all under 130. All perform as well as any bat Ive owned now that they are fully match ready. I guess the only side some may argue is they maybe take an extra few net sessions to reach fully opened up status over some more expensive bats but thats all in the pressing of the bat maker
The most expensive purchase I have made in the last 3 years is yet to arrive but is still under the 200 mark and is up there with any G1 on looks.





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Re: Grading - the great mystery
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2018, 06:14:45 PM »

I believe the grading/pricing system of the clefts from the supplier is same as we have for all other raw material, where rarity dictates the desirability and hence the prices.
Which is quite normal in term of market sense. All these low-density, multi ruler straight gain with all sapwood are rare raw material hence the high price.   

Grading a bat on performance is kind a marketing gimmick to lure people to by lower priced end-product at a bloated price to maximize their profit. There is no measure of performance and no two clefts will perform the same.  But at the same time tags such as performance grade, player's/pro's grade draws more attention then a bat with no such tag.

If someone has no price restriction then they should buy whatever is the best in the market and for someone like me I look for value for money.
People can argue that Uk made bats are better than Asian made bats but if you really think there is not much science in making a good bat not saying its not a skilled job but skill are gained by experience and anyone can gain experience.
I would say people should look for cost to Selling price difference regardless the grade before making a decision. And if there is same probability of low priced/grade bat be equally good as as high priced/grade bat.
Then I guess we know who is a winner.
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Re: Grading - the great mystery
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2018, 06:33:54 PM »

I'm sorry @SOULMAN1012  Chris - did you say that Ghost was a G5?
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Re: Grading - the great mystery
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2018, 06:48:02 PM »

I'm sorry @SOULMAN1012  Chris - did you say that Ghost was a G5?

Yep its a Ghost 250 which is G5 on Kook grading
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Re: Grading - the great mystery
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2018, 06:50:22 PM »

I'm sorry @SOULMAN1012  Chris - did you say that Ghost was a G5?

A 250 I guess, have seen a few that could easily pass for G1/G2.
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Re: Grading - the great mystery
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2018, 07:09:18 PM »

A 250 I guess, have seen a few that could easily pass for G1/G2.

Exactly and in my opinion the reason why Grade is irrelevant really. The GM Chrome is also a 404 not a signature grade so G4 in GM grading.
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Re: Grading - the great mystery
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2018, 07:30:54 PM »

I have seen a kook ghost 250 which is around 100 quid I think

And made by an Indian manufacturer I forget who go absolutely miles

It looked exactly like that in the colour of the bat
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Re: Grading - the great mystery
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2018, 07:32:55 PM »

The two bats I used this season were both G3, neither of them are in the slightest bit good looking but it doesn't stop them going like stink. Has just confirmed my beliefs in buying good lower grades, several g1s being kept on the shelf at home because of how good the low grade bats have been.

That's not to say all low grade bats are great of course, the money you pay for higher grade bats is a bit of a safety net for those who can't hunt out low grade winners. Specifically in the case of GM I've seen some rubbish 606s, but 808s have always been top notch. Not sure on the signatures but seems they sit at a good sweet spot to judge by looks and response on here.
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Re: Grading - the great mystery
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2018, 07:34:14 PM »

Theres so many different threads going on about so many subjects that are linked so...

Manufacture grading makes no odds to me. Id always look for a combo of aesthetic & performance.
We all pay what we think is value for a combo of performance, stickers, willow, reputation & brand.

My match bats are GM Signature grades and look good and perform.

Theres a bloke a bit like us deciding what grade stickers go on which bats. Probably with a ball and a mallet but definitely has less bats at home than the average forum member

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Re: Grading - the great mystery
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2018, 09:05:09 PM »

There's very little difference in price between clefts of different grades

I wouldn't entirely agree with that honestly. All clefts are inexpensive compared to the bats they become, but a G1 cleft is still double the price of a G3, for example.
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Re: Grading - the great mystery
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2018, 09:14:38 PM »

Would it be rude to find out much a cleft cost
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