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England tour of West Indies
« on: December 09, 2018, 03:32:38 PM »

Squads are announced tomorrow! So, to distract from your confusion over whether to be glad Australia are getting beaten or disappointed India are winning... who would you pick?

Test squad I see staying much the same, Denly being the only man to miss out. I'd pick Jason Roy instead and announce that he's being considered to bat 3, just to make sure Bairstow is wound up nicely! No word on whether Archer has cancelled his BBL stint, will be interesting to see if he gets a mention.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2018, 04:34:39 PM »

I'd be surprised if we didn't see more or less of the same in the Test squad - Denly, Pope and Woakes would seem to be the three guys uncertain of their places, though the lack of real competition in the batting ought to save one of them at the very least.  If he has done the necessary to make himself available, I would take Archer instead of Woakes and make sure that both he and Stone got on the field to see how they acquit themselves.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2018, 09:03:36 PM »

Archer cannot be picked until May, there is no point in his name being mentioned.

Going to be the same squad. Pope has done will with the Lions. Denly could miss out, but I am not sure who replaces him. Maybe yet another opener
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2018, 09:09:47 PM »

Agree don't see the point in taking Stone on a second away tour and not play him thought he should have played in SL when England were two nil up.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2018, 09:13:15 PM »

As mentioned above I would like to see Stone given a game. Don't think there's much need to change the squad. The match XI will probably include a quick at the expense of a spinner.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2018, 09:40:32 PM »

Why not play stone, archer and Woakes as seamers ?? No point taking broad/Anderson to play a weak WI. Blood players vs weak opppps so they have experience and confidence come the ashes

Hes scored so few runs its not possible but giving hammeed a run vs SL and WI might not have been the worst thing.?just see if he could rescue his confidence
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2018, 10:00:02 PM »

Why not play stone, archer and Woakes as seamers ?? No point taking broad/Anderson to play a weak WI. Blood players vs weak opppps so they have experience and confidence come the ashes

Hes scored so few runs its not possible but giving hammeed a run vs SL and WI might not have been the worst thing.?just see if he could rescue his confidence
Test cricket is hard work surely Anderson and Broad are entitled to fill their boots against a weaker side? Other countries have done so.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2018, 11:28:18 PM »

England havent won a Test series in the West Indies for 3/4 trips. Look where the mediocre jibes got England last time of asking. This series aint a foregone conclusion.

Attitude more than personnel maybe key
« Last Edit: December 09, 2018, 11:31:19 PM by Alvaro »
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2018, 12:00:43 AM »

I wonder exactly Woakes has done wrong. I think Curran is a poor mans Woakes and I see Woakes being England's premier swing bowler at the end of next summer and his missed a whole winter to develop. It's not like Anderson did much in the early part of his career outside the UK.

Foakes will constantly be under threat because Jos and Jonny can keep, he will have to 'keep' his average over 40 just to keep the media from writing him off.

I do not agree with dropping Anderson , we need to play the current best 11 in every test. Not resting our best player because our oppo are not amazing, Hence:
England havent won a Test series in the West Indies for 3/4 trips. Look where the mediocre jibes got England last time of asking. This series aint a foregone conclusion.

Attitude more than personnel maybe key
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2018, 06:12:30 AM »

1. Ollie Pope/Dawid Malan/Keaton Jennings All Three Should be given a go in the top order for Pace = Maland+Pope Spin = Jennings
2. Rory Burns
3. Jonny Bairstow (WK)
4. Joe Root (C)
5. Ben Stokes
6. Jos Buttler
7. Moeen Ali
8. Sam Curran
9. Chris Woakes
10. Adil Rashid/Stuart Broad
11. Jimmy Anderson
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2018, 06:57:08 AM »

1. Ollie Pope/Dawid Malan/Keaton Jennings All Three Should be given a go in the top order for Pace = Maland+Pope Spin = Jennings
2. Rory Burns
3. Jonny Bairstow (WK)
4. Joe Root (C)
5. Ben Stokes
6. Jos Buttler
7. Moeen Ali
8. Sam Curran
9. Chris Woakes
10. Adil Rashid/Stuart Broad
11. Jimmy Anderson

No Leach/Foakes = wrong team selected
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2018, 07:01:03 AM »

England havent won a Test series in the West Indies for 3/4 trips. Look where the mediocre jibes got England last time of asking. This series aint a foregone conclusion.

Attitude more than personnel maybe key
Not to mention that the last time the WI toured England they drew the series. Definitely a more difficult proposition than many give them credit for, their batting might not be all that but the seam attack is more than decent these days.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2018, 07:14:45 AM »

I think you have to remember the only people playing any sort of meaningful cricket are the Lions in Pakistan. And there the runs have been shared around with only Joe Clarke scoring a hundred and Pope a few 50's. So no one has really stood out etc...

It will be the same squad. I think Denly will go because there has to still be a nagging doubt about Jennings against pace and there are no other openers.

As Buzz says, I don't think Archer is available for selection.

More of a question will come when it comes to picking the spinners because I don't think we will play 3.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2018, 07:33:52 AM »

I don't think Denly was ever being considered to open though, they had him pencilled in at 3 until he struggled in the warmups. Hence a possible vacancy in the squad for Roy, who they're clearly considering. Otherwise you're right, noone's done anything to displace Pope as the spare middle order player. Selection for the first test will likely be much more interesting.

When Archer becomes available is dependent on how much time he spends in the UK - if he goes to the Big Bash for two months he won't have completed the residency in time, but if he pulls out of that (which he has mentioned as a possibility) he'll obviously qualify quicker. You'd assume someone from the ECB will have had a chat with him recently. What the rules may or may not be on England naming a currently non-qualified player in a squad, who knows.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2018, 08:31:21 AM »

No Leach/Foakes = wrong team selected
Interesting opions, what's your 11?
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