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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2018, 08:47:55 AM »

I wonder exactly Woakes has done wrong. I think Curran is a poor mans Woakes and I see Woakes being England's premier swing bowler at the end of next summer and his missed a whole winter to develop. It's not like Anderson did much in the early part of his career outside the UK.

Foakes will constantly be under threat because Jos and Jonny can keep, he will have to 'keep' his average over 40 just to keep the media from writing him off.

I do not agree with dropping Anderson , we need to play the current best 11 in every test. Not resting our best player because our oppo are not amazing, Hence:
At woakes age and tests played around the cricket world his game should be devoped unlike Curran he's mainly a one trick  pony  a bowling ave of around 60  runs per wicket on the sub continent maybe went against him in SL

 with  Curran establishing himself   plus stone and possibly Archer coming through he may not  even be a test regular
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2018, 09:01:50 AM »

Interesting opions, what's your 11?

Bairstow can't and won't bat at three and keep. It's not sustainable and very likely to impact hugely on his batting, keeping or both.

Depending on the pitch, it'll go something like

1. Jennings (he may get a tough time from Roach and Gabriel)
2. Burns
3. Bairstow
4. Root
5. Stokes
6. Buttler
7. Ali
8. Foakes (wk)
9/10. (Two of) Curran/Broad/Rashid/Leach
11. Anderson

It will be about sticking with those who wom 3-0 and having the flexibility to adapt to the different pitches in the Caribbean. I don't see huge changes but do think that Roy will be given a go  by the summer
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2018, 09:07:31 AM »

Bairstow can't and won't bat at three and keep. It's not sustainable and very likely to impact hugely on his batting, keeping or both.

I remember seeing an article on Cricinfo of Bairstow saying he's up for keeping and No. 3  :D
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2018, 09:14:47 AM »

I remember seeing an article on Cricinfo of Bairstow saying he's up for keeping and No. 3  :D

I'm surprised he wasn't advocating to have a bowl as well! :)

Seriously, can't happen.  Spinning pitches again, as tough as Sri Lanka because of the low bounce, and Foakes hardly disgraced himself with the bat!

Jennings
Burns
Bairstow
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Foakes
Ali
Curran
Leach
Anderson
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2018, 09:20:57 AM »

England management has already earmarked Woakes as the natural replacement for Anderson, should he retire after the Ashes.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2018, 09:32:01 AM »

I remember seeing an article on Cricinfo of Bairstow saying he's up for keeping and No. 3  :D

But why would you allow someone to keep who is not the best keeper?
Foakes is the best keeper we have and his batting has started pretty well too!!
Let's be real at the moment......ideally Bairstow and Buttler would bat 5 and 7 and Bairstow would keep. BUT Foakes has thrown a spanner in the works by hitting a ton and batting superbly well in Sri Lanka and showing that he is currently the best keeper England have and arguably the best keeper in cricket currently! So there is no question at all that Foakes will be given a spot in starting XI as long as his batting continues to look solid. Buttler has been brilliant batting at 5/6 and I can't see this changing for the moment. So the only way Bairstow can be show-horned in the starting XI is at 3! And whilst Foakes is in the starting XI, why give Bairstow the gloves?   
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2018, 09:36:32 AM »

And agree that this will likely be the starting XI

Jennings
Burns
Bairstow
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Foakes
Ali
Curran
Leach
Anderson

They will probably bat Ali at 7 again and therefore Foakes at 8....which I don't agree with! And may bat Stokes at 5 and Buttler at 6. But I suspect the above will be the starting XI.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2018, 09:51:48 AM »

Throwing out there, but I still think a better line up with the names involved would be:

Burns
Buttler
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Foakes
Ali
Curran
Leach
Anderson
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2018, 11:12:04 AM »

the batting line up will be the same

burns needs a run
jennings hit a ton in the last series
bairstow hit a ton in the game he played (and at threE)
root captain
stokes is stokes
buttler englands most consistant bat of 2018
ali all rounder
foakes cant drop him bayliss all but confimred he would play

then the bowling is where there will be changes, id imagine a seamer will come in for leach (although id rather it be for rash personally)

meaning 8 down will be:

rashid
curran
broad
anderson

i would rather see:

curran
leach
stone
anderson
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2018, 11:31:25 AM »

the batting line up will be the same

burns needs a run
jennings hit a ton in the last series
bairstow hit a ton in the game he played (and at threE)
root captain
stokes is stokes
buttler englands most consistant bat of 2018
ali all rounder
foakes cant drop him bayliss all but confimred he would play

then the bowling is where there will be changes, id imagine a seamer will come in for leach (although id rather it be for rash personally)

meaning 8 down will be:

rashid
curran
broad
anderson

i would rather see:

curran
leach
stone
anderson

that'll be a strong side...12 strong to be precise... :)
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2018, 11:42:15 AM »

🙈 oops!

Just goes to show we have no idea who will play or what the selectors will do!

What time is  the squad announced?
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2018, 12:02:27 PM »

Throwing out there, but I still think a better line up with the names involved would be:

Burns
Buttler
Jennings
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Foakes
Ali
Curran
Leach
Anderson

Exposing Buttler to give Bairstow an easier gig at 5? I wonder which county you are from  :D

Interesting opions, what's your 11?

I'd go, assuming the first Test is played on a pitch similar to what we've seen in Barbados recently

Jennings
Burns
Bairstow
Root
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Foakes
Curran
Anderson
Leach

Considered a 4th quick but would have to drop a spinner to get him in


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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2018, 01:58:12 PM »

I think there could be chance we go straight back to 1 spinner (Mo) in a couple of the games - looking at the recent games this year in St.Lucia and Antigua all the wickets were to pace and the spinners hardly bowled a ball - and Bangladesh and Sri Lanka were playing.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2018, 01:58:42 PM »

Realistically though, is Curran a good enough bowler to be in the XI?

Curran-tly, no. (see what I did there?)  :D

I think we (myself included) are letting his batting prowess cloud judgment of his primary skill, bowling.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2018, 02:47:33 PM »

Same squad as Sri Lanka except pope dropped

Denny and stone tour
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