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jonny77

Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #975 on: February 11, 2019, 10:00:01 PM »

So we'd all have been happy if Root wouldn't have made a score then? He's copped for a few decent balls this series, so think he's been a touch unlucky. He's probably the one bat we have who could be considered world class. So in my opinion (and at a time most are bemoaning our lack of talent in that department) maybe we should be grateful to have him and stop downgrading what was a very good knock. Just a thought.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #976 on: February 11, 2019, 10:11:27 PM »

So we'd all have been happy if Root wouldn't have made a score then? He's copped for a few decent balls this series, so think he's been a touch unlucky. He's probably the one bat we have who could be considered world class. So in my opinion (and at a time most are bemoaning our lack of talent in that department) maybe we should be grateful to have him and stop downgrading what was a very good knock. Just a thought.
I'm not saying that I'd have preferred to not see him get runs, I think my opinion is based on frustration more than anything.

We all know how good he is and that he could become one of the all time England greats, but to become a great you need to make contributions and to churn out match/series winning performances. At the moment he isn't doing that and his scores have come in dead rubber games.

I know could be argued that Cook has made some of his big scores in similar situations but that Ashes series away in 2010/11 will live on in my memory as something special and the reason why he's a great of the game.

I also take your comment about the pitches and balls he's copped this tour so I do have some sympathy. Going forward into the Ashes he really needs to make an impact early on, not to silence me but rather for the sake of the team and to regain the little urn.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #977 on: February 11, 2019, 10:18:30 PM »

I wouldnt put root in the class of KW, Kohli and Smith

Stewart on the debate did - but hes never scored a test 100 in Australia and had a poor record there. If that was any other player for another team everyone would be all over that stat cant bat in Aussie conditions
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« Reply #978 on: February 11, 2019, 10:31:32 PM »

That's all rubbish, root batted well and it certainly wasn't easy with gabriel, roach and Joseph bowling quick!

Yes it's too late but it was still tough batting!
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« Reply #979 on: February 11, 2019, 11:07:33 PM »

I wouldnt put root in the class of KW, Kohli and Smith

Stewart on the debate did - but hes never scored a test 100 in Australia and had a poor record there. If that was any other player for another team everyone would be all over that stat cant bat in Aussie conditions

Williamson averages under 36 in both England and India and a meagre 21 in SA. His career average is also lower than Roots

Granted Smith and VK are on another level but for me Root and Williamson eat at the same table
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« Reply #980 on: February 11, 2019, 11:25:15 PM »

Thing that annoys me is that his hundreds have come when either the series is already lost or won, he doesn't make contributions that really count towards a series win

This did sound like nonsense to me so I had a quick look over dinner to see the truth of the matter.  It turns out that of his 16 test match 100s, only 2 (his 14th and 16th) were scored when the series had already been one or lost.  Scoring 14 of his 16 100s in games which contributed to the outcome of the series sounds like a rather a good ratio to me.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #981 on: February 11, 2019, 11:31:45 PM »

I wouldnt put root in the class of KW, Kohli and Smith

Stewart on the debate did - but hes never scored a test 100 in Australia and had a poor record there. If that was any other player for another team everyone would be all over that stat cant bat in Aussie conditions

Root averages more in Australia than Kohli does in England.  Doesn't mean Kohli isn't a top player.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #982 on: February 12, 2019, 12:16:14 AM »

Not sure if youve seen a clip going round on twitter, but it would appear Gabriel has aimed a homophobic slur at Joe Root (The Clip is of Joe saying theres nothing wrong with being Gay)

Hopefully hell face proper action if found guilty by the ICC. Would be a shame if this were to be brushed off.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #983 on: February 12, 2019, 08:16:22 AM »

Doesn't seem like anyone's actually anything reported, but class of Root to handle it the way he did.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #984 on: February 12, 2019, 08:45:17 AM »

Not sure if youve seen a clip going round on twitter, but it would appear Gabriel has aimed a homophobic slur at Joe Root (The Clip is of Joe saying theres nothing wrong with being Gay)

Hopefully hell face proper action if found guilty by the ICC. Would be a shame if this were to be brushed off.

Unacceptable - Gabriel should receive a ban to send a message down to grassroots level. The amount of times I hear homophobic comments on a saturday. The usual six or gay is heard a few times in the season.

Time leagues clamp down on this too
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« Reply #985 on: February 12, 2019, 09:06:52 AM »

It will be difficult for the ICC to do anything about it as it doesn't seem like the umpires or joe root want to say what was said, a shame as its unacceptable
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #986 on: February 12, 2019, 09:42:56 AM »

With all due respect, Joe Root is definitely not in the class of Kohli, KW and Smith. The way these guys have excelled in all formats says a lot about their technical excellence. Jow Root is a wonderful batsman but definitely not in the same league as Kohli, KW and Smith.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #987 on: February 12, 2019, 10:16:13 AM »

Unacceptable - Gabriel should receive a ban to send a message down to grassroots level. The amount of times I hear homophobic comments on a saturday. The usual six or gay is heard a few times in the season.

Time leagues clamp down on this too

Stone Age comments on the field. Its 6 or LGBT nowadays


I jest , before the PC police come up for air.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #988 on: February 12, 2019, 10:31:56 AM »

I think Root has handled this the right way so I disagree with some fellow for formites. Gabriel has got a warning and Root is basically saying he won't elaborate as what is said on the field says on the field. There's a difficult line of course as you could deem certain things said way over and above what is acceptable.

I think with the modern players we need to cut them a bit of slack,everyone can capture things on mobiles and there are microphones everywhere picking up things said in the heat of battle.

I'm not condoning any homophobic sledging but far as I can see Root handled this well so credit to him.I'm not Roots biggest fan either after this tour...but not everything can be laid at the Captains door-we have a whole raft of management out there.

Fat as kholi,Williamson and Smith go, totally agree, Root is our best player by miles but forth when compared to the others.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #989 on: February 12, 2019, 11:58:18 AM »

Heat of the battle is no excuse and is very easy to blow it off as a straight person.
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