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Re: Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith interviews
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2018, 08:22:11 PM »

Bancroft is not very bright, that's obvious from the interviews but let's not forget ii was Warner doing the chucking in the first place getting a newbie player who looks like he would agree to anything to 'not let the team down' to do the dirty work he would not do himself.

What comes across is Smith was a weak captain and Warner could basically do what he wanted as all powerful senior pro.

So these interviews probably make it less likely to return with Paine now captain.

What I cannot fathom myself is how the actual bowlers have not been nailed in this too. Have they accepted they didn't know what was going on?

If so they may have dodged a bullet!
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Re: Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith interviews
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2018, 08:30:00 PM »

Agree entirely with this.  The bowlers would have been fully aware that the ball was reversing far too soon and that the condition of the ball was deteriorating on one side far too quickly even if they weren't aware which one of the batsman was doing it
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Re: Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith interviews
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2018, 08:34:44 PM »

A journalist who was interviewed on the Grade Cricketer implied it was the first time they had been caught rather than the first time it had happened. The South African media had been told to aim their cameras at Warner based on existing rumours and when that was picked up in the Australian camp they found someone else to do it for them who evidently was less subtle ......

For the record, that was his understanding rather than fact.

I guess this sort of stuff happens more often than we would like to know about.
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Re: Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith interviews
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2018, 08:37:30 PM »

And Warner has been wearing these hand wraps for years. Im not prepared to believe they were for anything other than hiding materials to change the condition of the ball. Has any other player in history needed to wear hand wraps every single time they've fielded?
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Re: Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith interviews
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2018, 08:40:10 PM »

Totally agree about the bowlers, somehow feel that through CA not asking to many questions and the public and everyone else just jumping on the caught 3 that the bowlers have got away with this in a huge way. Club cricket players pay loads of attention the the ball and look after it so Pro bowlers in a huge test match would have been all over the balls condition.

As for the interviews, a nice guy like Gilly was never going to let them have it or really get to the root cause of the questions was he!  As has been said the I just want to be liked excuse is a total joke, he would have kept his place and been respected if he scored runs at the top of the order and gave his all for the baggy green that means so much to all Aussie cricketers.

Should they play international cricket again? No. Will they, most likely
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Re: Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith interviews
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2018, 09:28:31 PM »

Poor Smith! All that talent and he is sitting on his couch.
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Re: Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith interviews
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2018, 10:32:28 PM »

People forgave Amir for spot fixing, nobody cared about faf..twice, and we look up to the great reverse swing bowlers of all time as if nothing untoward could have been going on. we wouldn't even be talking about it now if they only served the ICC one game ban.

What they did was wrong, there is no denying that and no justification for it, but it was a mistake and they have paid for it literally and figuratively, I feel like just because it was Australians who got caught we've lost all perspective on the fact that it was just a few lads trying to win a game the wrong way. Nobody was killed or hurt, they didn't steal from anyone..they cheated at a game to try and win. Life goes On.
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Re: Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith interviews
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2018, 11:00:12 PM »

^ I agree. Once their ban is over, they should be allowed to play and move on with their careers.

More to life than this and life does indeed go on.
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Re: Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith interviews
« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2018, 11:30:15 PM »

This whole conversation is very boring now.

How long do people need to harp on about how it's disgusting etc etc.

It's professional sport. Cheating happens. End of. 95% of riders in the tour de France are doping, 5 out of 8 runners in Ben Johnsons race were doping, I men Russia had a state sponsored doping program for god sake. The long and short of it is; every test nation has had someone done for ball tampering. Get over it now. Yes what they did was wrong, but people calling for their careers to be over etc are ridiculous.

Warner was the mastermind, Bancroft is an idiot (clearly from his interview) and Smith was too weak to stop it. Ultimately I'm pretty sure everyone at some point in their lives has cheated and unfortunately for these three guys they got caught.
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Re: Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith interviews
« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2018, 11:34:56 PM »

People forgave Amir for spot fixing, nobody cared about faf..twice, and we look up to the great reverse swing bowlers of all time as if nothing untoward could have been going on. we wouldn't even be talking about it now if they only served the ICC one game ban.

What they did was wrong, there is no denying that and no justification for it, but it was a mistake and they have paid for it literally and figuratively, I feel like just because it was Australians who got caught we've lost all perspective on the fact that it was just a few lads trying to win a game the wrong way. Nobody was killed or hurt, they didn't steal from anyone..they cheated at a game to try and win. Life goes On.

If its just a game why cheat/sledge anyway ?  I thought Cricket was a battle ?? Mans game... one where you can say anything in the name of winning etc etc

Not everyone has forgave amir at all either, there will be plenty who remember and still think of him as a cheat. Not everyone is blinkered by win at all costs.

Winning is great but winning the right way .. not winning at all costs (Cheating, verbals, gamesmanship Etc) . Just play cricket and whoever is best on that day will win.. generally over a long period the best team will come out on top anyway all things being equal (like not playing all your games at home India etc)
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Re: Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith interviews
« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2018, 11:42:03 PM »

If its just a game why cheat/sledge anyway ?  I thought Cricket was a battle ?? Mans game... one where you can say anything in the name of winning etc etc

Not everyone has forgave amir at all either, there will be plenty who remember and still think of him as a cheat. Not everyone is blinkered by win at all costs.

Winning is great but winning the right way .. not winning at all costs (Cheating, verbals, gamesmanship Etc) . Just play cricket and whoever is best on that day will win.. generally over a long period the best team will come out on top anyway all things being equal (like not playing all your games at home India etc)

The higher level you play, the more important winning at all costs becomes. Simple. At the top level of the game there are millions and millions of pounds invested. Just like the Olympics, just like the tour de France, just like Wimbledon, every single sport at the top level has cheating, and it's prevalent. I know if I was being paid a million pounds a year plus sponsorship plus bonuses and someone at the top said we need x amount of wins a season I'd be thinking about what edge I can get.
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Re: Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith interviews
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2018, 12:18:43 AM »

The higher level you play, the more important winning at all costs becomes. Simple. At the top level of the game there are millions and millions of pounds invested. Just like the Olympics, just like the tour de France, just like Wimbledon, every single sport at the top level has cheating, and it's prevalent. I know if I was being paid a million pounds a year plus sponsorship plus bonuses and someone at the top said we need x amount of wins a season I'd be thinking about what edge I can get.

Hence the need for genuine harsh punishments and vigorously enforcing. That makes it risky to take such actions. This all comes about now as the game is soft on cheating as this thread shows . People are happy to see it and forgive it. If that cha fed it would still happen but rarely and theyd be genuine career ending repercussions

Irrespective all three are still
Earning the bucks as will be back so its mute. Some will welcome them and some wont and thats now how their careers will be defined. Not that they will
Care one bit
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Re: Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith interviews
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2018, 07:57:38 AM »

I can see Smith playing for Australia again, probably Bancroft but have a feeling that Warner might end up similar to KP. I suspect hell return but at some point will go off round the world to make money, write a book telling his side of the story and play the pantomime villain of Australia cricket like KP was to English cricket
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Re: Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith interviews
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2018, 11:28:40 PM »

Cricket Australia have come out and said they want to reintergrate Warner back in the side. Cant see Bancroft playing for Australia for a while if warner is in that side given his comments.

A few former players also digging into Bancroft.

All a bit of a farce with these interviews coming out and over shadowing the test match
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Re: Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith interviews
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2018, 12:58:43 AM »

There's a possibility that captain Paine doesn't want someone like Warner back in the fold. Yes Warner's the second best batsman in Australia but he's a prized bell***. He's essentially everything Paine's trying to eradicate from the Australian cricket team. Paine may well have spoken to Smith and Bancroft, potentially suggesting the bury Warner. Naturally Bancroft has to tie the line of the captain and Smith probably has more leeway as he's a superstar batsman. But there are the rumours that Smith genuinely despises Warner. Some times you have to cut out the cancer to ensure the future is better.
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