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Kookaburra Stancebeam
« on: December 26, 2018, 02:31:09 PM »

https://www.kookaburra.biz/en-au/cricket/community/news/stancebeam/

https://vimeo.com/307188781

Kookaburra & Stancebeam have just launched this, the first retail cricket bat sensor for measuring bat speed and shot power. Half expect these will be included in bats too, going forward.
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Re: Kookaburra Stancebeam
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2018, 02:33:34 PM »

A step closer to golfists. I don't believe it has any use in cricket besides info to supplement a TV broadcast but hey
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Re: Kookaburra Stancebeam
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2018, 07:58:53 PM »

Seems quote interesting to me. Power hitting is in vogue at the moment as something to work on in training sessions with bat speed being identified as crucial to hitting the ball further so a way of objectively measuring this seems to have a purpose beyond the pure novelty value
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Re: Kookaburra Stancebeam
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2018, 02:16:06 AM »

Does bat speed matter in cricket? Maybe helps indirectly in a sense that if you are late to get into position, still can make up by bat speed.
As far as how far the ball goes, not sure if it helps much. Even for slog shots, the timing achieved will determine how far it goes I think. Or maybe it helps by giving feedback that we are trying to hit too hard/too fast and need to slow down the swing rather than speed up the swing?
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Re: Kookaburra Stancebeam
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2018, 09:40:28 AM »

Does bat speed matter in cricket? Maybe helps indirectly in a sense that if you are late to get into position, still can make up by bat speed.
As far as how far the ball goes, not sure if it helps much. Even for slog shots, the timing achieved will determine how far it goes I think. Or maybe it helps by giving feedback that we are trying to hit too hard/too fast and need to slow down the swing rather than speed up the swing?
Bat speed has a huge impact on BBS, that's pretty simple physics. Obviously, you have to somewhat hit the ball in the right place though.
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Re: Kookaburra Stancebeam
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2019, 07:21:37 AM »

I see there is also a new (Old from 2017 ICC champions trophy with new name for public launch?) kid on the block making a bit of a splash alongside the world cup.

https://www.smartcricket.com/#section2

Re bat speed discussion, I think this is more than that as they (BOTH) also have metrics for e.g.
- Max speed vs speed at impact which after all is effectively the very definition of timing (I think?)
- Follow through angle
- Angle relative to the ground at impact i.e. in the air or not which could be useful for a specific session trying to hit e.g. lofted drives etc.
- Max back lift angle ... a good indication of dipping the shoulder or dropping the bat (... and probably 'poking' at the ball / mistiming the shot)
- Whether the bat was lifted over middle stump or at an angle towards leg-side or offside (slip)

All the above I think from a practice session can provide a trend towards seeing if issues are being resolved, creeping into you game etc. without worrying about every individual ball.

My only real question with these things is the accuracy?  The new mob claim 95% accuracy vs. high speed camera testing, but not sure for example when measuring the rotation of the bat face in the Z access (open or closed) that 95% is actually accurate enough for small deviations from 0 (meaning facing straight down the pitch) ... anyway ... am watching with interest the development of this as it takes the subjectivity out of critiquing every ball.
 
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Re: Kookaburra Stancebeam
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2019, 07:35:47 AM »


Both products look identical
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Re: Kookaburra Stancebeam
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2019, 06:38:28 AM »

Both products look identical

The do look similar, but there are a few physical differences to the units - biggest one being that the Kook/Stancebeam has a charging cradle (have to remove) and the other seems to allow direct USB connection.

The metrics are similar and it may be just the choice of app/analytics on top choosing to interpret them differently e.g. one has the angle at impact relative to 0 being vertical to the ground (batsense) - and the other (stancebeam) has the downswing angle i.e. you have to subtract the backlift angle from the downswing angle to determine if hit in the air or not.

The biggest unknown to me is whether the base tech / algorithms inside are the same i.e. the stuff Intel made a splash about with Speculur (now Smartcricket/batsense) back at the ICC tournament in 2017.  Seems bizarre how similar they are - yet that the 1st to announce (batsense) and trial back in 2017 are 2nd to market by almost 6 months.
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Re: Kookaburra Stancebeam
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2019, 05:30:03 PM »

What's the verdict? Buy or not?
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