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What does one have to do to comply with the helmet regulations?
« on: January 17, 2019, 10:19:07 AM »

So what does a helmet manufacturer have to do in order to comply to the BS 7928:2013 standard? Is there any design limitations or prototype testing involved? Third party inspections perhaps? Say u were looking to manufacture a new helmet that complies with the standard. Anyone here who has gone through the process? Can @Ayrtek Cricket shed some light on it plz?
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Re: What does one have to do to comply with the helmet regulations?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2019, 10:36:14 AM »

You have to submit the model(s) for certifying at a registered test house. Once youve informed them of the models they will provide you with a quote to carry out the work and let you know how many units of each model need submitting.

They will then carry out testing against the the BSI standard and advise if it has passed or failed, along with a technical file specifying the materials used, manufacturer of the helmet (factory).

Youll also need public liability insurance as the helmet is deemed a Potentially life saving product.

Re designs/prototypes you can submit whatever you like for testing but it will obviously be tested against the specified standard with the impact and penetration tests listed within the standard.
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Re: What does one have to do to comply with the helmet regulations?
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2019, 10:36:43 AM »

So what does a helmet manufacturer have to do in order to comply to the BS 7928:2013 standard? Is there any design limitations or prototype testing involved? Third party inspections perhaps? Say u were looking to manufacture a new helmet that complies with the standard. Anyone here who has gone through the process? Can @Ayrtek Cricket shed some light on it plz?

Not being funny, but if you are looking to make a helmet read the standard (it isn't cheap but you'll need it)

edit, much better more rounded answer from Ayrtek
« Last Edit: January 17, 2019, 10:38:41 AM by DorsetDan »
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Re: What does one have to do to comply with the helmet regulations?
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2019, 10:42:51 AM »

Agreed, knowing what the product will have to pass helped me when at the design stage as you could come up with the world best design aesthetically but unless it passes the safety standard it cannot be used on the Pro circuit now.
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Re: What does one have to do to comply with the helmet regulations?
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2019, 10:53:27 AM »

Its not for me. I was just curious about the whole process. Myself being a third party inspector (albeit for a completely different industry) i suspected it wouldnt be as simple as manufacturing a helmet and firing a ball at it to see if it goes through. recently had a debate with a manufacturer in pakistan who makes copies of masuris and shreys that rather than copying others why doesnt he make his own product and ensure it complies with the regulations? To which his reply was "we are craftsmen and not literate. We know how to manufacture the product and if we knew what we have to do to comply with the regulations we would be more than happy to do it. As not so long ago many pakistani international players used to wear helmets manufactured locally but they dont anymore"
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Re: What does one have to do to comply with the helmet regulations?
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2019, 11:00:00 AM »

This was part of the discussion and commitment all the major helmet manufacturers made when deriving the latest safety standard, it was realised that helmets would need investment in terms of new designs, tooling/materials to meet the new standard.

However if people still churned out copies or models that didnt meet the latest standard then at least those that did receive recognition by being listed on a website of compliant models that anyone can check/view.
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Re: What does one have to do to comply with the helmet regulations?
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2019, 11:10:28 AM »

Lets say if the manufacturer read the standard and followed the guidelines to ensure the design and safety part is met and does test it internally, but doesnt have the means or resources to get it tested "officially". Does it still offer some credibility to his product? Although offcourse pros cant use it but amateurs and club cricketers like me would somewhat trust that its a "safe" helmet. Especially if its inexpensive. Babysteps...
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Re: What does one have to do to comply with the helmet regulations?
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2019, 12:45:22 PM »

Lets say if the manufacturer read the standard and followed the guidelines to ensure the design and safety part is met and does test it internally, but doesnt have the means or resources to get it tested "officially". Does it still offer some credibility to his product? Although offcourse pros cant use it but amateurs and club cricketers like me would somewhat trust that its a "safe" helmet. Especially if its inexpensive. Babysteps...

I can't see how any product could claim credibility against a standard without being officially tested. You're basically just taking their word for it otherwise, where's the proof they actually followed the same tests?

It's similar to companies that claim to sell "the biggest bats currently available on the market worldwide" - it's all nonsense with zero factual evidence.
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Re: What does one have to do to comply with the helmet regulations?
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2019, 12:54:52 PM »

Lets say if the manufacturer read the standard and followed the guidelines to ensure the design and safety part is met and does test it internally, but doesnt have the means or resources to get it tested "officially". Does it still offer some credibility to his product? Although offcourse pros cant use it but amateurs and club cricketers like me would somewhat trust that its a "safe" helmet. Especially if its inexpensive. Babysteps...

I make my own bats as a hobby, and I'm happy to use them safe in the knowledge that they may not be the best looking or performing, and will likely crack and possibly break at some point. I've also sold bats to mates, who know what they're getting. Fair enough. But if I could make my own helmet, could I, would I use it? Would I sell one to a mate? No, I would not.

It's your head inside it FFS. You might as well make a lid out of a watermelon rind.
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Re: What does one have to do to comply with the helmet regulations?
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2019, 01:16:18 PM »

U guys make a fair point. There really is no way around it. Thanks alot for the valuable information guys! Much appreciated.
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Re: What does one have to do to comply with the helmet regulations?
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2019, 01:49:14 PM »

That's the whole point in having a safety standard to conform too, there is no grey area then in what has/hasnt passed it then is products are tested against in it labs that have been acredited.

As mentioned before this is classified as a level 1 Personal Protection product meaning its potentially life saving (unlike gloves and pads that are self-certifying).
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Re: What does one have to do to comply with the helmet regulations?
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2019, 05:15:34 PM »

Is there such a thing as testing old models against the new standard? For example, Im still a sucker for my old 1998 C&D Albion. What are the odds its still considered safe?
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Re: What does one have to do to comply with the helmet regulations?
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2019, 05:33:00 PM »

None as the new safety standard specifies the grille must be of 1 fixed position for example which would be just 1 point of failure for the helmet. This is before even considering factors like the peak flexion issue during the penetration test.
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Re: What does one have to do to comply with the helmet regulations?
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2019, 05:37:47 PM »

So it isnt just as simple as making a fixed grill and a stubborn peak that doesnt flex enough to let the ball pass i assume
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Re: What does one have to do to comply with the helmet regulations?
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2019, 06:48:29 PM »

There are lots of design considerations to it beyond this, fit, vision, shape, size, grille position, proximity to the chin/no contact zone. Materials selection, production, cost etc.

You have to pass an impact test and well as penetration test so if you make it to rigid the force will be transmitted, too soft and it will flex....its like the 3 bears and Goldilocks you need to find a happy medium.
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