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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2019, 03:03:05 PM »

But when you bat you aren't lifting your front foot. Your head is leaning to the ball and you topple into position. It isn't the same.

Try it.

Obviously you lift your front foot, it doesn't slide along the floor - (besides even to slide your foot, you'd need to deweight it first).

Even a "topple" (which is terrible technique) requires you to de-weight and lift your front foot first, otherwise you'd just fall on your face.
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2019, 03:08:34 PM »

Obviously you lift your front foot, it doesn't slide along the floor - (besides even to slide your foot, you'd need to deweight it first).

Even a "topple" (which is terrible technique) requires you to de-weight and lift your front foot first, otherwise you'd just fall on your face.

If you think the "topple" is terrible technique I am not sure we will agree on this...
What you are suggesting will make your head move up and down which makes batting very hard, because picking up the ball is much harder when your head is moving.
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2019, 03:31:27 PM »

If you think the "topple" is terrible technique I am not sure we will agree on this...
What you are suggesting will make your head move up and down which makes batting very hard, because picking up the ball is much harder when your head is moving.

The topple is a terrible visualisation, it encourages an unnecessary delay in shifting the weight followed by a rapid, uncontrolled stab forward as you try to catch up with your momentum. No professional cricketer bats like this or has ever batted like this. I hope you're not teaching this to kids.

and you can shift your weight perfectly effectively whilst keeping your head completely still - a common ABC practice for younger kids is to balance a bean bag on their head whilst alternating the foot they are standing on, and sometimes catching a tennis ball while they do it.
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2019, 03:34:45 PM »

Nearly every pro batter uses the head to the ball technique. Very few use the front foot deweighting technique.

From Douglas Jardine to KPs book on cricket various versions of the topple are described.
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2019, 03:57:06 PM »

Thoughts peeps

Normally I basiclaly stand with my back big toe on middle on the crease line to face up vs everything from pace to medium (spin just behind). However, Ive been trailing after watching tests standing half way back in my crease.. to say its made life easier is an understatement.

Ive found suddnely its a lot easier and anything that a bowler would think is back of a length or length is easily back foot punched or pulled. However, Ive seen Mr Balance and Mr Handscombe... they look bloody awful

So, does anyone bat like this at our level or is it just too darn risky with crappy wickets ??

Ive done extreme pace and with swing to see if simply pitching it up swinging would get me and it doesnt seem to.

Just kinda thinking it feels a little too good to be true currently

I do a version of this, with the difference being that I stand on off-stump. I think there are two keys to this strategy:
1) Keeping good balance (making sure head does NOT fall over to off side, which will make you miss balls on your legs or balls that swing in late).
2) assume/visualize the full straight ball, that you will look to play to mid-on. Everything else is easier (you can leave outside your eyeline, and can pull anything short - which is such an instinctive shot that you don't need to think about it).

I've heard people criticize this strategy by saying "but if you miss it,you'll be LBW"...I still prefer this because its much easier to work on making sure you DON'T miss the full straight ball (by focusing on points 1 and 2 above), and you minimize the ways you can get out.
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2019, 04:05:54 PM »

Nearly every pro batter uses the head to the ball technique. Very few use the front foot deweighting technique.

From Douglas Jardine to KPs book on cricket various versions of the topple are described.

I'm afraid your wrong. Obviously all batsmen lead with their head when playing forward, that's been a standard coaching mantra for many decades, That's not the same as "toppling", which is the act of voluntarily losing balance and then sticking your foot out to catch yourself in an uncontrolled manner.

To be clear: every batsman de-weights their front foot before moving it, because it is physically impossible to not do this. This is just basic physics.

I would bet 100 than 95% of professional batsmen de-weight their front foot before the ball is released when playing pace bowling. This is simply modern batting technique. I can't think of a single test batsman who doesn't do it. I haven't seen footage of every single professional batsman so there might be some anomalies, but I doubt it.


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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2019, 04:30:57 PM »

As I said at the top of the page. We aren't going to agree.
But I won't be making up stats to prove my point.
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2019, 04:42:56 PM »

As I said at the top of the page. We aren't going to agree.
But I won't be making up stats to prove my point.

No problem, as I said, things quite often take their time to filter down to amateur cricket, so it's not entirely surprising that you have never heard of it.
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2019, 05:07:10 PM »

No problem, as I said, things quite often take their time to filter down to amateur cricket, so it's not entirely surprising that you have never heard of it.

Yet another pioneering idea straight out of Beige Shorts & No Bats CC.
I love your way of explaining things too, just pretending you're superior to everyone who disagrees with you even when you're proved wrong.
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2019, 05:10:25 PM »

No problem, as I said, things quite often take their time to filter down to amateur cricket, so it's not entirely surprising that you have never heard of it.

So your vast experience and knowledge has come from working with which pros and teams to provided this insight?
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2019, 05:14:53 PM »

Yet another pioneering idea straight out of Beige Shorts & No Bats CC.
I love your way of explaining things too, just pretending you're superior to everyone who disagrees with you even when you're proved wrong.

I haven't been proven wrong though, I explained my point, Buzz interjected incorrectly to tell me I was wrong, but it turns out he is simply a bit rusty on his basic physics and thinks its possible to pick up your foot whilst still having your weight on it, which, obviously, it isn't.
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2019, 05:15:35 PM »

So your vast experience and knowledge has come from working with which pros and teams to provided this insight?

eh? Who said I worked with pros? Just watch them on the tv and you'll see what I mean, idiot.
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2019, 05:33:26 PM »

No problem, as I said, things quite often take their time to filter down to amateur cricket, so it's not entirely surprising that you have never heard of it.

Sniggers. Right. Chappell wrote about deweighting years ago. It has been discussed on here several times.
But it will filter down to amateurs eventually.

P.s. ever wonder why Ali Cook the most famous proponent of deweoghting struggled to hit a straight drive?
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2019, 05:47:18 PM »

Sniggers. Right. Chappell wrote about deweighting years ago. It has been discussed on here several times.
But it will filter down to amateurs eventually.

P.s. ever wonder why Ali Cook the most famous proponent of deweoghting struggled to hit a straight drive?


All the more mysterious why you are confused by basic physics, then.

You've made several statements on this thread that are demonstrably erroneous. You should probably retract them and apologise.
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2019, 06:06:54 PM »

I think as ever the discussions are going cross purposes and terminology rather than actions are largely being argued about. Your descriptions of different conditions incorrectly assume the laws of statics rather than the laws of dynamics is you want to get all physicy about things. There's no free lunch with batting and no single best technique or approach and different things suit different people. True most pros would generally describe having around a 60:40 rear foot weight bias but that is just a feel and a description they seem to tend to use and certainly not full "de-weighting" which very few use. Easy solution of course to end SLA's law* is to post a video or picture breakdown of what you describe as we are clearly not enlightened amateur joeys (bonus points for spiffing own net video)

*Godwin's SLA's Law

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