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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2019, 06:14:24 PM »

Two decent club players.
Zero deweighting
https://youtu.be/C2BG24E32ZU

https://youtu.be/Qqn8uQ9miIQ
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2019, 06:15:25 PM »

But when you bat you aren't lifting your front foot. Your head is leaning to the ball and you topple into position. It isn't the same.

Try it.

Batting is leading with your head, not leading with your foot. Putting your foot to the pitch if the ball is the biggest misnomer in batting. It is head over the ball.
Yep lead with your head and the rest will follow.
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2019, 06:22:28 PM »

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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2019, 06:26:09 PM »

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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2019, 06:45:58 PM »

And a couple of average pros...
https://youtu.be/BG12B_cFQxM

https://youtu.be/VntutI8sqaA

Maybe with the second there is a marginal de-weighting, but not really.

Both are using the crease well (to return to the original post!)

Oh, here is my favourite, Kane Williamson. https://youtu.be/IJpQQY2G6Gw

I think Joe Root has a front foot de-weighting, but videos of him batting are closely controlled by the powers of the ECB.
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2019, 07:15:24 PM »

I think as ever the discussions are going cross purposes and terminology rather than actions are largely being argued about. Your descriptions of different conditions incorrectly assume the laws of statics rather than the laws of dynamics is you want to get all physicy about things. There's no free lunch with batting and no single best technique or approach and different things suit different people. True most pros would generally describe having around a 60:40 rear foot weight bias but that is just a feel and a description they seem to tend to use and certainly not full "de-weighting" which very few use. Easy solution of course to end SLA's law* is to post a video or picture breakdown of what you describe as we are clearly not enlightened amateur joeys (bonus points for spiffing own net video)

*Godwin's SLA's Law

As an online SLA CBF discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler everyone else involved being called an idiot and shouted down approaches 1

This post from @DorsetDan made me De-weight from my current grumpy state, and topple into a state of temporary giggles..
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2019, 07:36:17 PM »

Wheres Dave gone??

Last time I spoke Winchester way but his back (if memory serves me correct) is showing signs of heavy Bergans and tabbing all his life
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2019, 08:19:40 PM »

Ive got a few bowler mates who I can bribe to bowl at me and Ill give them a new cherry (dukes) to bowl with.. should test me out as theyll swing like foook

If I get pinned Ill know its not any good vs swing.

Current vs the machine Ive not been hit on he pads but time will tell.. Im just interested if anyone has or does it because I certainly find it far easier and can actually be more destructive as its harder to bowl dry
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2019, 09:18:39 PM »

eh? Who said I worked with pros? Just watch them on the tv and you'll see what I mean, idiot.

Sorry I feel my previous post may have been a little facetious, but seen as we were told that one foot weighting filtering to the amateur game I felt it was needed to clarify.

I like think Ive got a reasonable and varied cricket knowledge. From coaching under 5s to sharing breakfast with some of the greats of the game while they talk about how they used to get the ball to reverse (yes the cheated).

Im not saying I know it all far from it, but I can honestly say Ive not heard the term one foot weighting used by any pro or ex-pro Ive worked alongside. And Im lucky enough to have worked in various countries and in a variety of roles even feeding analysis to some of our favourite TV commentators.

The topple method as Buzz describes isnt perfect as it does promote a unstable movement, but gives a much better representation than getting young players to move their feet first, as that often leads to young players not transferring weight into the ball correctly.

I subscribe to a simple methodology of if you can transfer your weight into the ball and provide the face of the bat along a bat path that gives maximum opportunity to strike the ball you arent going to going far wrong.

But thanks for your input @SLA


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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2019, 01:11:47 AM »

Gone a bit mad since I last read this thread

Good luck with the practice anyway Adie, will be interested to hear your findings. Always like a bit of innovation in batting
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2019, 07:10:00 AM »

Well, this thread is tremendous. Still waiting for the day when I hear or read anyone invoke 'the laws of physics' while also having the slightest idea what they're talking about...

On the topic of standing deep in your crease, I used to do it when I was younger and felt it worked well to give me a bit of extra time and get on the back foot more easily. Stopped doing it as much because I'm much better off the front foot than back and find being a little out of the crease works better for the majority of bowling/pitches I get these days. Can only see it being a problem with full/swinging balls if you stick to it rigidly and the bowlers adjust to bowl fuller to you, a la Gary Ballance, but if you think on your feet in that situation and move back to normal then you often get a few nice half volleys.
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2019, 10:29:38 AM »

would there be any issues with the idea working more/less in certain batting conditions/wickets? like being able to give yourself time on a really spinning wicket in the sub-continent/or on a fast bouncy track in Aussie - but not using it on a slow swinging wicket in the UK (in April for example!!)
also as a very bang average (and i am being generous!!) amateur cricketer - please can someone explain de-weighting to me - however if this causes more disagreements ;) then i am happy to remain oblivious as i am too old to change from the 'head first and all else follows' method!!! - which has always done me fine
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2019, 11:06:49 AM »

I'm a back and across merchant, child of my time perhaps, but I've always tried to use the crease rather than choose part of it to occupy.  For instance, you pull or cut someone convincingly to the fence, you pretty much know the next one is going to be fuller, so instead of going back and across I go forward and across and set myself up in the same way in an attempt to turn the next ball into a half volley. Likewise if the ball is zipping about a bit, I move myself across my stumps so I'm batting off off-stump so I know what I can let go.  To be honest, I've not really thought about this that much until I read the question, just go with what feels right on the day.
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Re: Standing deep in the crease
« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2019, 12:10:04 PM »

Growing up in the North West where wickets particularly early season are likely to offer assistance to the seam bowlers, batting deep in your crease is more likely to bring more problems than benefits.  At test level, Dawid Malan probably best demonstrates this, along with the assessment from Ed Smith that he is best suited to away tours than he is playing in home conditions.

I often bat out of my crease to a bowler who is getting lateral movement to both negate that movement and to make it easier to get the front foot outside the line of off stump, but otherwise take my stance with my back foot just inside the crease which I feel gives me the best starting position  to get fully forward or fully back depending on the length of the ball
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