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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2019, 04:26:16 PM »

In a game that lasts 5 days why do you need a flying start? I thought the Ashes was a Test series, not a T20 competition...

Picking Bairstow to open can only end badly, just look at the way he plays. I can imagine the new ball swinging nicely on the way through to rearrange his stumps!

A flying start 50% of the time is better than a crap start 100% of the time. Bairstow has opened before and done OK as far as I can remember (which isn't far admittedly)!
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2019, 04:32:25 PM »

This is a really tricky one because we are discussing it five plus months out - though hey, we love a good selection debate, right?

My thoughts, rather unstructured, are as follows.  We will go into the Ashes with our multi format players having played no more than two red ball games, one of which will be the banana skin test again Ireland.  I would therefore, personally, want at least two batsmen who are NOT part of the one day party as well as the obvious bowlers who are not.

I don't think there are many who are nailed on certs at this stage in the eyes of the selectors.  I would say Root, Stokes, Anderson and Broad are possibly the only four, with Buttler and Bairstow very strong probables.  I think myself that Archer has to be in there too.

From that start, you have to structure a side.  If Root were prepared to bat three, that'd be easy - but I don't sense that his objection to doing so is going to change, nor do I think that the more outre selections to open (I still think Buttler would have some merit, for example) will be considered.  So, either Bairstow returns to three - which is one, possibly two places too high, as hard as he worked on his technique post football injury.  Options therefore become:
1. Bairstow keeps and bats seven
2. Foakes keeps, and Bairstow/Buttler fight it out for one spot.

I think, at this stage, that we will favour green seamers for much of the series, playing to our strengths.  I don't think we'll go without a spinner, but I wouldn't be amazed if we considered it, and I think the side is likely to start something like Burns, AN Other, AN Other, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali or Curran, Woakes or Archer, Broad, Anderson.   Who the others may be will be up in the air, but names in the frame early season will be Denly, Malan, Stoneman, Hameed and Vince - sorry, its not innovative, but its true - with the possible bolters any of Warwickshire's top three who make a solid start and possibly Joe Clarke. 
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2019, 04:33:41 PM »

A flying start 50% of the time is better than a crap start 100% of the time. Bairstow has opened before and done OK as far as I can remember (which isn't far admittedly)!

To the best of my knowledge, he did it once - yes, it went spectacularly well in the context of that one game, but it would be a tactic born of hope rather than expectation, especially as he will get no more than two first class games before the Ashes begin. 
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2019, 09:05:23 PM »

I do not know anything about his record, but why the fascination with Archer?  Is it because he shown potential?  A quick check of Cricinfo stats shows promise but he has only played 28 1st class games in 3 years and how many of those are 4 days v/s 1 day.  Will he be able to handle the work load of bowling 20+ overs per innings?
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2019, 09:14:21 PM »

Trev has said the bairstow up the order experiment is over, yjb will be keeping at batting 7 for the foreseeable future

Incredibly harsh on foakes! Incredibly harsh
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2019, 09:23:33 PM »

Trev has said the bairstow up the order experiment is over, yjb will be keeping at batting 7 for the foreseeable future

Incredibly harsh on foakes! Incredibly harsh

It is, but I rate Bairstows batting better than Foakes. So I think it's fair enough tbh.
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2019, 09:27:42 PM »

They can't seriously get rid of Foakes? He's brilliant!???
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2019, 09:31:10 PM »

He's not better than Root, Butler, Stokes or Bairstow tho. So if these are 4 to 7, with Ali at 8 then where does he fit?
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2019, 09:33:00 PM »

Trev has said the bairstow up the order experiment is over, yjb will be keeping at batting 7 for the foreseeable future

Incredibly harsh on foakes! Incredibly harsh

If that is the case Johnny has to be judged on current performance and if he keeps getting low scores he needs to be dropped and asked to go back to CC.  IMHO Foakes is the better keeper and the only thing keeping him out is mgmt perception that Johnny is better batsmen.
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2019, 09:33:49 PM »

I do not know anything about his record, but why the fascination with Archer?  Is it because he shown potential?  A quick check of Cricinfo stats shows promise but he has only played 28 1st class games in 3 years and how many of those are 4 days v/s 1 day.  Will he be able to handle the work load of bowling 20+ overs per innings?

First Class cricket is multi day by definition. Top level one day cricket is in a different category - List A Limited overs. So the answer to your question is that none of those 28 matches are one dayers

He is tall, fast and moves the ball. Not sure what there isnt to like about that. As his First Class average of 23 indicates

Oh and hes a gun fielder and a more than handy number 9. I see him as the direct replacement for Stuart Broad in the next year or two.


Incredibly harsh on foakes! Incredibly harsh

Disgusting treatment! I feel some sort of banner protest coming on at the Headingley Test  :D
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2019, 09:35:40 PM »

Trev has said the bairstow up the order experiment is over, yjb will be keeping at batting 7 for the foreseeable future

Incredibly harsh on foakes! Incredibly harsh

If that's right that is tough , I like Bairstow but he has levelled out in the last couple of years, Foakes has potential to be high class.

Bairstow making it clear he wants to keep while Foakes had the gloves I thought a bit out of order, I think a culture is being created in the England set up which don't sound good to me.

Perhaps Kevin Pieterson was right all along  :o
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2019, 09:37:08 PM »

First Class cricket is multi day by definition. Top level one day cricket is in a different category - List A Limited overs. So the answer to your question is that none of those 28 matches are one dayers

He is tall, fast and moves the ball. Not sure what there isnt to like about that. As his First Class average of 23 indicates

Oh and hes a gun fielder and a more than handy number 9. I see him as the direct replacement for Stuart Broad in the next year or two.


Thx for the information.
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2019, 09:41:24 PM »

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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2019, 09:58:31 PM »

If I were Foakes, I'd be on the phone to Surrey asking to start the season at three!!!
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2019, 10:18:33 PM »

If I were Foakes, I'd be on the phone to Surrey asking to start the season at three!!!

Foakes at three pope 4

To keep the Roy brigade happy he can open when Burns is away
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