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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2019, 10:20:06 PM »

He's not better than Root, Butler, Stokes or Bairstow tho. So if these are 4 to 7, with Ali at 8 then where does he fit?

He averages 40

Bairstow in the same time high 20s low 30s

Who's the better bat currently
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2019, 10:33:05 PM »

It's a disgrace. Screw the ECB and their nasty habit of messing players around. Poor guy! I'd declare allegiance for Ireland rather than England at the moment.
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2019, 10:48:27 PM »

Confirmation of Foakes not getting back in the test team - http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25988742/ben-foakes-struggle-test-recall-trevor-bayliss-says

that was one depressing read...... Bayliss does seem like a bit of a dick in his interviews
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2019, 10:52:37 PM »

Confirmation of Foakes not getting back in the test team - http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25988742/ben-foakes-struggle-test-recall-trevor-bayliss-says

I'm still absolutely livid about this.

On Jason Roy... I love the way everyone assumes that if he opened in tests he'd just try and bang everything over midwicket. Yes he'd be a punt given white ball stuff has stopped him playing much first class the past few years, but it's not occurred to anyone that he's quite a good player? With a better first class record than a lot of recent caps to boot. Pole position to play IF noone stands up in the county champs.

Nailed on for the first Ashes test... not many: Root, Buttler, Stokes, Bairstow (ugh), Moeen, Jimmy. Broad is a strong likelihood so that leaves 1, 2, 3 and a third seamer. Good battle between Wood, Woakes and Archer for your third seamer spot. Burns is in as long as he scores runs for Surrey, which seems likely, so the most open slots are 2 and 3.

Who'll fill 2/3? Pretty much totally open season for the county season. Denly has a good head start if he can show a bit of red ball form, bizarrely if he makes the world cup squad he looks vulnerable to anyone making runs. Pretty much anyone in Div 1 could get the spot with enough runs, and probably some in Div 2. Even Keaton Jennings, don't bet against the same side lining up next test!

Possibly the most interesting prospect is the potential for an experimental lineup vs Ireland, could we see Anderson and Broad rested?
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2019, 11:10:08 PM »

Didn't we try Hales at the top of the order once upon a time, I see his name hasn't been mentioned again.

Roy is very much like Hales in that they are attacking in nature but what's to say Roy won't fall to the same issues of not being able to play the moving ball?
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2019, 11:13:51 PM »

Hales averages about 27 opening. 4 or 5 50s and narrowly missed out on a 100.
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2019, 11:16:58 PM »

Didn't we try Hales at the top of the order once upon a time, I see his name hasn't been mentioned again.

Roy is very much like Hales in that they are attacking in nature but what's to say Roy won't fall to the same issues of not being able to play the moving ball?
Hales was pretty much entirely awful in tests, scored slower than Cook and dug himself into a hole most innings. Nothing to do with being attacking or the moving ball tbh, he just got it all wrong. Could have earned a second chance if he worked hard but decided to retire from first class cricket instead.
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2019, 11:36:40 PM »

Hales' average of 27 opening in tests is actually at the higher end of those who have opened the innings for England since Andrew Strauss retired, and is better than either Jennings or Burns have managed.  Root managed to average 41 opening, although given his refusal to bat at 3, it would be a fair assumption that he won't be putting his hand up to give it another go.  After that, the next best is Nick Compton at 31s.

Hales did have a real issue judging what to leave and what to play at on a 4/5th stump line but he did last longer at the crease than those who have followed him and made a far better fist if it than a number if supposed red ball specialists.

I struggle to think that any other leading test playing nation has struggled as much as we have to find a test match opener in the time since Strauss left.  Equally, I could never understand those advocating that it was time for Cook to go.  It was never clear to me how the struggle to find one opener was likely to be made any easier by the requirement to find another.
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2019, 11:53:11 PM »

On a different note, one thing that interests me is why a number of our top order batsman have such glaring technical problems but don't seem to be able to work to eradicate them.  It reminds me a bit of Shane Warne's comment about Monty Panesar not having played 50 tests, but having played the same test 50 times.

I was watching a master class with ABdV last year and he mentioned how early on in his test career he had a real problem against the moving ball and playing too far away from his body, so he had to go away and adapt so that he played more under his eye line.  He was basically saying that his technique was good enough for him to score the runs that would get him a test call up, but not good enough for him to score at that level.

The concern for me is that guys score runs in county cricket, get the chance to play test match cricket, get found out the higher level, go back to their county, score runs again then come back without having addressed the fundamental problem.  Balance still didn't get forward to full deliveries, Jennings still drives with all his weight on his back foot, Bairstow still plays across the line to anything straight and gets bowled.

During the last test Butcher and Key were discussing how the county schedule doesn't leave time for working on your game during the season and that too much cricket was being played.  However, it also seems to me that counties don't really have an incentive to invest in improving a player if he is successful at first class level.  I recall an interview Jason Gillespie gave when he spoke about Bairstow coming back to Yorkshire after being dropped by England and how they just wanted him to have the confidence of hitting lots of balls rather than having too much technical information floating around his head.  It worked for Yorkshire where he hit a weight of runs, but he had come back to England with exactly the same problems.
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #54 on: February 14, 2019, 12:43:32 AM »

I do feel Compton was hard done by. Better than Jennings.

For the Vince supporters out there (I know you secretly love him), here's an article Wisden reposted today.  https://www.wisden.com/stories/stats-analysis/james-vince-unlucky-analysis-cricviz
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2019, 09:26:55 AM »

Foakes has been well and truly shafted by Bayliss the bellend!

Bairstow is a biffer who averages 30 odd and gets cleaned up a lot, while Foakes looks composed and like a proper test batsman, he also averages just over 40.

Remind me, who's the better batsman? ???

Can we pension bellend off early and get a decent coach in for the Test side before the Ashes? Someone who picks on merit, not the same old faces because he likes them
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2019, 09:53:52 AM »

I agree that Foakes has been screwed over here.

As a keeper maybe i am bias but i always think having a proper keeper in the side can make that extra bit of difference in the field as well.

I will say that i still believe if Root was to grow a pair and bat at 3 then both Bairstow and Foakes could play in the same team.

I think it is quite obvious to everyone that as Bairstows ODI form has gone up (as he has opened the batting) his test form has gone down, and you can't get away from that.

For the people that don't know/haven't seen Jofra Archer - a few videos below -

https://www.ecb.co.uk/video/786653/late-drama-as-jofra-archer-takes-triple-wicket-maiden-gloucestershire-v-sussex-day-2?tagNames=County

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eETR47E23o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPkrv5L-gyU

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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2019, 11:00:13 AM »

I agree that Foakes has been screwed over here.

As a keeper maybe i am bias but i always think having a proper keeper in the side can make that extra bit of difference in the field as well.

I will say that i still believe if Root was to grow a pair and bat at 3 then both Bairstow and Foakes could play in the same team.

I think it is quite obvious to everyone that as Bairstows ODI form has gone up (as he has opened the batting) his test form has gone down, and you can't get away from that.

For the people that don't know/haven't seen Jofra Archer - a few videos below -

https://www.ecb.co.uk/video/786653/late-drama-as-jofra-archer-takes-triple-wicket-maiden-gloucestershire-v-sussex-day-2?tagNames=County

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eETR47E23o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPkrv5L-gyU



Totally right, if Root batted 3 you could get both in. I'm afraid like others on here, this really sucks. It's not as if Foakes is a keeper and an average bat...you could say like read and foster, both superb but not at the level batting wise.

It seems Bairstow has the gloves regardless which is what he has always wanted. Not totally his fault of course.

Bayliff out
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2019, 12:54:18 PM »

If I came in as coach...

Root to 3, gloves off Bairstow & to bat 4/5(tell him to work hard to become England's best batsman and that the team owes him nothing)... Foakes to keep & become my new hero. I want Woakes right in the mix too, somehow.
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Re: Ashes 2019
« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2019, 01:46:21 PM »

Yes, I think I would be similar, save I'm not too fussed about Woakes.

Did anyone interrupt their Bairstow bashing to note the even more egregious comment from Bayliss that he thought that might also be our Ashes 1,2,3?
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