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Re: Mo Bobat English Scouting Revolution
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2019, 09:37:32 PM »

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Re: Mo Bobat English Scouting Revolution
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2019, 10:07:31 PM »

In my view cricket has been left behind by some distance when it comes to this sort of analysis of a player's potential to step up to a higher level - whether it be young players starting out or exexperienced pros.

There are examples like Vaughan and Tresco picked under the Fletcher era who did excel in the county game but were selected on the basis that they had what it took to succeed at the highest level but more recently, particularly in the search for openers, we have reverted to the 1990s approach of picking up a copy of the Times, see who is high up on the first class averages the  tell them to report on a Thursday morning for England duty
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Re: Mo Bobat English Scouting Revolution
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2019, 07:00:18 AM »

In my view cricket has been left behind by some distance when it comes to this sort of analysis of a player's potential to step up to a higher level - whether it be young players starting out or exexperienced pros.

There are examples like Vaughan and Tresco picked under the Fletcher era who did excel in the county game but were selected on the basis that they had what it took to succeed at the highest level but more recently, particularly in the search for openers, we have reverted to the 1990s approach of picking up a copy of the Times, see who is high up on the first class averages the  tell them to report on a Thursday morning for England duty

Agree and disagree.. the red ball game has become a Joke from test to pro to amateur levels BUT the way they select the talent for white ball is very good. Just look on the international, pro circuits and youll see a fantastic array of talent for these formats. Amateur level is going that way too as each batch of youth only plays one way. The talent may not be there in amateur but the mentalities/techniques are just as flawed.

You have to separate selection based on the type of player you want, if you think youre going to find a multi format player each time youll find one per generation at most who is actually genuinely good enough to command a spot in all formats and not be compromised in some way
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Re: Mo Bobat English Scouting Revolution
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2019, 08:40:15 AM »

You have to separate selection based on the type of player you want, if you think youre going to find a multi format player each time youll find one per generation at most who is actually genuinely good enough to command a spot in all formats and not be compromised in some way

Agree with you here, i think the Test and ODI formats are poles apart now in skillset. Patience and willingness to score ugly runs dont seem to be common attributes in the modern player. Something needs to change there

Ironically England seem to score more runs in 50 over cricket than in Tests nowadays
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Re: Mo Bobat English Scouting Revolution
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2019, 09:09:26 AM »

Agree with you here, i think the Test and ODI formats are poles apart now in skillset. Patience and willingness to score ugly runs dont seem to be common attributes in the modern player. Something needs to change there

Ironically England seem to score more runs in 50 over cricket than in Tests nowadays

Agree fella. Totally different skill sets and so totally different selection criteria.

As for the runs scored.. field restrictions, generally roads, smaller grounds and a white ball that doesnt move all come into play .. oh and limited overs for bowlers
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Re: Mo Bobat English Scouting Revolution
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2019, 10:39:06 AM »

I found interesting the suggestion that if hawk eye was installed at all county grounds the they could isolate performance against the type ofbowling faced at test level.  I don't really feel that performance in the county championship is any great indicator of a successful test career 
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Re: Mo Bobat English Scouting Revolution
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2019, 10:41:50 AM »

Agree with you here, i think the Test and ODI formats are poles apart now in skillset. Patience and willingness to score ugly runs dont seem to be common attributes in the modern player. Something needs to change there

Ironically England seem to score more runs in 50 over cricket than in Tests nowadays

The top players manage to adapt between formats though.  Game awareness and knowing what is required in a given situation will transfer to any format
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Re: Mo Bobat English Scouting Revolution
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2019, 11:26:55 AM »

The top players manage to adapt between formats though.  Game awareness and knowing what is required in a given situation will transfer to any format

Doing a job is one thing but not many have excelled in all formats

Steve Smith is, according to his career high ranking, the 2nd best Test batsman of all time. Yet when he played ODIs against England last year he couldn't get the ball off the square.
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Re: Mo Bobat English Scouting Revolution
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2019, 11:45:15 AM »

I found interesting the suggestion that if hawk eye was installed at all county grounds the they could isolate performance against the type ofbowling faced at test level.  I don't really feel that performance in the county championship is any great indicator of a successful test career

That wont happen unfortunately, cost will be far to high for all 18 counties.
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Re: Mo Bobat English Scouting Revolution
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2019, 12:26:12 PM »

The ECB alreasy chucks c.2m a season to each county and with the new t.v. deal about to come online I don't see it as being prohibitive if the scouting team thought it would make a big difference to their work
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Re: Mo Bobat English Scouting Revolution
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2019, 04:38:46 PM »

Interesting article, I know ECB have gone down a more big picture view point with their selections over the last few years. Looking at the type of player they want in certain roles and then finding the players to match that. More like the US depth chart model than lets see who weve got and pick them
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Re: Mo Bobat English Scouting Revolution
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2019, 06:04:13 PM »

The top players manage to adapt between formats though.  Game awareness and knowing what is required in a given situation will transfer to any format

Umm, not on the evidence of the current crop of international players... excluding a select few.

There is little transferable between modern white ball and test cricket now as they are so far apart in skill sets, mentalities and techniques required
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Re: Mo Bobat English Scouting Revolution
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2019, 07:42:36 PM »

Mentality far more important than technique/skill set, long history of high quality ODI players who haven't made it in tests as well as the less talked about test players who aren't as great in limited overs games or players with iffy techniques who were very effective test players. Hard to pick mentality out in stats, that's why it's much more difficult to select for!
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Re: Mo Bobat English Scouting Revolution
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2019, 08:59:59 PM »

Think it's being technically sound is the most important to be successful in test arena,
then it comes mentality /attitude, trying best not to give away wicket easily,(how many deliveries are you going to leave, just outside the off stump)
Don't know any batsman who wasn't technically sound but averaged 30 plus.
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