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AJ2014

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Off spin bowling
« on: February 19, 2019, 10:36:39 AM »

As a spinner do try often enough to bowl quick yorker?
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Re: Off spin bowling
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2019, 11:11:53 AM »

Not any more.

In my youfff I was a seamer, and turned to off spin when I was about 15/16.
I fell into the trap early on bowling spin of trying to bowl too many quicker balls, to the extent it was almost my stock delivery.

I've learned over the years that you're better off not trying to bowl the quicker one too often, as it's a ball that can often go wrong. If it comes out wrong it's a leg side wide and the keeper hasn't got much chance.

If you're going to bowl a quicker yorker, don't do it too early in your spell. Make sure you're in a good rhythm bowling your stock ball first and use it as a surprise delivery.

I rely more now on where I bowl from for variation that trying quicker balls, wrong un's etc.
If you bowl from close to the stumps, wide of the crease and somewhere in between the two extremes you'll get variation that way. Subtle changes of pace also work well (hold one back a touch, bowl one flatter than normal etc.)

And my personal favourite to change up pace is to bowl from further back or forward. If you land your front foot halfway between the two creases as standard, you can go up to the line to "add pace" and further back to "take pace off". I love a 24 yard flighted delivery!

Does any of that make sense, or was I just rambling?
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Re: Off spin bowling
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2019, 11:14:58 AM »

I now play all of my cricket on astro pitches with at best middling boundaries against a majority of batsmen for whole slogging/hitting is plan A, B and C so I look to vary my pace a lot, and occasionally fire one through pretty much as quickly as I can without a drastic change of action.

A yorker is maybe the best way to do this if you practice it enough that you can nail it, but even less drastic changes of pace can be a great weapon, Dan Vettori is possibly the absolute master of this (or was anyway) woth googling to see if there are any articles or masterclasses with him.
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Re: Off spin bowling
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2019, 12:03:13 PM »

I love bowling yorkers, I want to let them know it's can be on his way any time 😀 sometimes slower ones, to lefties, think important is practicing it and field placing, I've always very straight mid/long off and wider mid off. Don't like to give swing option 🙂I hold cricket ball quite tightly for control and loose for flighted deliveries.
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Re: Off spin bowling
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2019, 12:05:46 PM »

This is why I've been able to bowl with a new cricket ball and as well last 10 over stage.
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Re: Off spin bowling
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2019, 01:31:04 PM »

I second what cam says, subtle changes in variation will more likely bring you a wicket than a quicker Yorker!
Like he said tightening up to the stumps, going wider will bring different angles to the delivery. Even coming round the wicket is often one I try.
I have a tendency to release my delivery very late, allowing me to look for a batsmens movement!
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Re: Off spin bowling
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2019, 03:02:28 PM »

Over the years have seen dozens of good batsmen get out to off-spinners trying to hit a ball that either doesn't turn or a topspinner.  Like the others have said, the stock variations are such because if you can bowl each of them convincingly, accurately and without drastic changes in action you'll take shed loads of wickets.  Especially turning the ball away from left-handers they are lethal - and like I said the arm-ball there flighted a little flatter and quicker can be devastating.  Good luck for the season.
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Re: Off spin bowling
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2019, 03:22:28 PM »

I used to try drastic changes in pace and it never worked. I realized its easy to change pace just by subtlety variying your grip and bowling stride (vettori talks about narrower stride for offie and wider stride for slider).

For example, for a more flighted, ripping office, i have a narrower bowling stride, focusing on going up and over the front foot - with the side of my finger pressing harder against the seam. Emphasis on getting finger to go up and over the seam.

For a slightly faster/skiddier ball, its the finger-print part of my finger on the ball (slightly less tension), and I just bowl using the same action as before - the different grip leads to the ball going a bit flatter and slightly quicker.

I also found that the slightly quicker ball gets less wickets than my stock ball (which is a Lyon type offie). So now I bowl the second (faster) variation more, and when I feel the batsman is trying to line me up, I throw in the first variation.

All about subtle variations now.
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Re: Off spin bowling
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2019, 04:27:16 PM »

Don't think I've bowled more than 20 yorkers last season, I only try to turn much when a wicket is helping, from outside the off stump flighted deliveries to drive, otherwise trying not to give much room to open them arm🙂I agree with the idea for subtle changes and then mixing with very slow flighted delivery
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Re: Off spin bowling
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2019, 06:56:25 PM »

I am going to piggy back on the thread.

What is the normal good length to bowl and also, do you measure that length from the stumps of the front crease?

Thx
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Re: Off spin bowling
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2019, 07:15:57 PM »

No, it's dependent on the batsman's length and the way he's playing, I don't try same kind of delivery more than 3 times in the same over, most likely they gonna get the hang of it🙂
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Re: Off spin bowling
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2019, 07:57:45 PM »

No, it's dependent on the batsman's length and the way he's playing, I don't try same kind of delivery more than 3 times in the same over, most likely they gonna get the hang of it🙂

Really? If they're not going after it and block a good ball, I'll bowl 6 of them.
Cricket is a simple game really, no need to make it more complicated!
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Re: Off spin bowling
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2019, 08:04:18 PM »

Thought someone is going to say that that's true, don't need to do anything different then,
most likely those will not be proper batsmen, otherwise they would be playing for a draw, then you still need to try get their wickets with variations, but majority of the time they'll go for it
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Re: Off spin bowling
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2019, 08:31:46 PM »

@AJ2014 okay let's put it another way then

You're playing on a Bunsen and anything outside off is dangerous. The opposition's opening batsman is being cautious and blocking anything in this "danger zone"

Do you:
A) keep bowling there and forcing him to play. Building pressure with dot balls.
B) try something different, get hit for 4 and release any pressure you've built.

Absolute nonsense to say people aren't proper batsmen because they block a few balls. That quite apltly epitomises the problems with modern cricket actually, just look at the England Test side...
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Re: Off spin bowling
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2019, 08:39:39 PM »

Think I've put it wrong, I meant no. 10, 11, who are trying to block for a draw, or they are leaving anything just outside of the off stump, not trying at all to score a run, depending on the game situation, not going for the wicket or giving more flighted deliveries.
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