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Re: Bowling machine vs throwdowns
« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2019, 09:45:16 PM »

If you're, as InternalTraining puts it, practicing all your shots at a low speed "to build muscle memory" are you not premeditating in order to do that? i.e if you're "building muscle memory" by practicing your cover drive, even if you aren't in position to play the shot before the ball is bowled/fired you will be subconsciously premeditating said cover drive.

Not at all.

If you are just robotically practicing one shot, then throw downs won't help you either. You should do something else with your free time.

I have been very clear in previous posts about the "clown" act. Bowling machines do require some thought and planning. Keep a training log. Etc.

When practicing a shot or even learning to play a specific delivery, players must practice good judgement to leave unplayable balls, defend good ones, and hit ones that should be hit. Technique, judgement, patience.

If you think there is no "pre-meditation" when playing shots in cricket, I'd say you and I are playing a completely different sport.
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Re: Bowling machine vs throwdowns
« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2019, 09:56:22 PM »

This is absolute gold mate. Please, start a youtube channel, it would be hilarious.


No thanks. It hasn't done you any good.
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Re: Bowling machine vs throwdowns
« Reply #47 on: November 05, 2019, 09:58:12 PM »

It's not your 'technique' that gets you out most of the time, it's your lapses in concentration and (No Swearing Please) decisions!

That can be remedied by better fitness levels - tired players lost focus/concentration and make poor decisions.

We are talking about clubbies here, fitness is a pretty low priority of many clubbies (including myself). :D
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Re: Bowling machine vs throwdowns
« Reply #48 on: November 05, 2019, 10:29:19 PM »

If you think there is no "pre-meditation" when playing shots in cricket, I'd say you and I are playing a completely different sport.

I was saying quite the opposite, but I think using the machine you will do so more (even if subconsciously) than facing a bowler or someone giving throw downs.

It's actually a subtle psychological impact, while you're focusing on not robotically playing the same shot ball after ball, you'll actually be doing just that.

A very dumbed down version would be of someone said to you "don't think about TK made bats". By the process of not thinking about them as you're told you will have them creep into your subconscious, willingly or not.

I think we've gone off on enough of a tangent now, mind you... :D
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Re: Bowling machine vs throwdowns
« Reply #49 on: November 05, 2019, 10:49:56 PM »

Just got back from a session. Few buckets of throwdowns/underarm feeds followed by two rounds with the bola. I dont know why but this machine would bowl vary the lengths ocassionally and i didnt feel each delivery was identical to the previous. Could be down to poor maintainence. The combination of both has helped in recent weeks.
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Re: Bowling machine vs throwdowns
« Reply #50 on: November 05, 2019, 11:02:09 PM »

Personally if I try and ignore the tit for tat my opinion is that both serve a valuable lesson, I have played the game long enough and to a good enough level to have had a range of coaches, 1 thats played international level and various Level 3 coaches and the difference in opinion is I would say 50/50. Some reckon there is no better way than to hit as many balls as possible and doesnt matter how (Bola or bowlers, side arm etc) and the other that wants to work on perfecting specific shots or technique and these have always used a Bola machine.

I like the Bola machine for the fact that well maintained they are more accurate than nearly all club bowlers and can be used for hours at a time or on your own. I like bowlers as you get the whole feel of someone running in and the action and timing of your movements etc is easier in my opinion.

Given the choice as will stick with a mix of the two as I feel both have benefits the other cant give.
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Re: Bowling machine vs throwdowns
« Reply #51 on: November 05, 2019, 11:24:33 PM »

The 2019 Bola machine has a selectable random increment option. Anyone have any experience, either for or against?
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Re: Bowling machine vs throwdowns
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2019, 01:29:37 AM »

Balance work and weight transfer

If you have such a specific goal (which btw way is great), then you wont go wrong with either option. People get in trouble when they try and do general practice - without any plan or idea of what they want to work on. Thats when the bad habits kick in.

Machine or throw downs should be used to work on particular aspects of your game, and you have already done the hard part of identifying very specifically what you want to work on (balance). To be safe you should throw in the occasional net to see if your drill work is helping and then recalibrate accordingly.

Given that your goal is balance and weight transfer, I would avoid the temptation of selecting a high speed on the machine - makes it easier to time and think youre balanced etc. Switch to slow speeds to truly see if you are keeping balance, maintaining shape and playing the ball as late as possible. Similarly with throw downs, you could do the really slow stuff (underarm one bounce feeds, or slow full tosses) to really test yourself.
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