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Re: Your 2019 season
« Reply #450 on: September 21, 2019, 08:16:13 PM »

Played last game of the season this afternoon as my "Sunday" team took arguably it's strongest side (well since I have been involved) to the Arthington Festival. Unfortunately it doesn't matter how strong the team is on paper if they can't convert this into runs and we were all out for just 99 runs on an absolute belter of a pitch. I ended up with 4no batting down at No.11 but in hindsight this was the one time when perhaps I should have gone in earlier and tried to ensure we batted our full allocation of overs. Needless to say, the opposition duly knocked this meagre total off (for loss of just 3 wickets) but at least weather-wise, it was an absolute gorgeous day.

However after seeing some recent comments about league umpires, I do have to add a comment of my own to this debate after enduring a Bradford League umpire that was officiating this afternoon (and getting paid !!!).

First up he gave an absolutely ridiculous LBW early during our innings that initially nobody appealed for. Somewhat belatedly, first slip went up for what sounded like a loud joke appeal and out of the blue, he gave it out. The bowler looked absolutely embarrassed by the decision as did most of his team-mates but I don't blame them for not bring the player back. However what I witnessed at the end of our (while standing at the non-striker's end) was about as village as you will get. A change of bowling brought on a guy who had clearly not warmed up and first couple deliveries were moon balls then 3rd ball he simply threw the ball in the general direction of the batsman and picked up the final wicket with it. I stood there laughing there for a few seconds until I realised the umpire hadn't a clue of what had just happened.

Next season we're going enter a league team into the Quiad-E-Azam League which should be interesting. Not sure how many matches I will be playing but will certainly be turning up around tea-time.  :D


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Re: Your 2019 season
« Reply #451 on: September 27, 2019, 08:43:13 AM »

Played last game of the season this afternoon as my "Sunday" team took arguably it's strongest side (well since I have been involved) to the Arthington Festival. Unfortunately it doesn't matter how strong the team is on paper if they can't convert this into runs and we were all out for just 99 runs on an absolute belter of a pitch. I ended up with 4no batting down at No.11 but in hindsight this was the one time when perhaps I should have gone in earlier and tried to ensure we batted our full allocation of overs. Needless to say, the opposition duly knocked this meagre total off (for loss of just 3 wickets) but at least weather-wise, it was an absolute gorgeous day.

However after seeing some recent comments about league umpires, I do have to add a comment of my own to this debate after enduring a Bradford League umpire that was officiating this afternoon (and getting paid !!!).

First up he gave an absolutely ridiculous LBW early during our innings that initially nobody appealed for. Somewhat belatedly, first slip went up for what sounded like a loud joke appeal and out of the blue, he gave it out. The bowler looked absolutely embarrassed by the decision as did most of his team-mates but I don't blame them for not bring the player back. However what I witnessed at the end of our (while standing at the non-striker's end) was about as village as you will get. A change of bowling brought on a guy who had clearly not warmed up and first couple deliveries were moon balls then 3rd ball he simply threw the ball in the general direction of the batsman and picked up the final wicket with it. I stood there laughing there for a few seconds until I realised the umpire hadn't a clue of what had just happened.

Next season we're going enter a league team into the Quiad-E-Azam League which should be interesting. Not sure how many matches I will be playing but will certainly be turning up around tea-time.  :D

I've yet to experience a "neutral" umpire that was sufficiently competent to represent an improvement over the batting team umpiring.

The more preferable neutral umpires are the ones that are old, deaf and slightly clueless, and basically just stand there not giving any decisions. A far worse option are the jumped up jobsworths who mistakenly think they're in charge. Best thing to do here is for both captains to get together and politely ask them to help out with the scoring instead.

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Re: Your 2019 season
« Reply #452 on: September 27, 2019, 03:37:30 PM »

I've yet to experience a "neutral" umpire that was sufficiently competent to represent an improvement over the batting team umpiring.

The more preferable neutral umpires are the ones that are old, deaf and slightly clueless, and basically just stand there not giving any decisions. A far worse option are the jumped up jobsworths who mistakenly think they're in charge. Best thing to do here is for both captains to get together and politely ask them to help out with the scoring instead.

On occasions I have had poor neutral umpires and the perception you have stated of panel umpires at times is true in terms of age etc.
However I have never played when a panel umpire is a cheat as opposed to being bad. However I have played against many batting team umpires who are just cheating and I know which I would prefer 
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Re: Your 2019 season
« Reply #453 on: September 27, 2019, 04:45:00 PM »

On occasions I have had poor neutral umpires and the perception you have stated of panel umpires at times is true in terms of age etc.
However I have never played when a panel umpire is a cheat as opposed to being bad. However I have played against many batting team umpires who are just cheating and I know which I would prefer

All our games are with panel umpires and its horrendous. The amount of crap Decisions they give really do decide games and can have huge effects on players for entire seasons !  Ive had a load of lbws this year, more in one season than in the previous 8! 3 were stone dead but the rest, I was either outsid eoff stump or hit the bloody ball!! It decimated my season a season I lost interest in even playing and at least two of our guys have actually decided to stand outside leg because they got bored of being fired every time.. even though its made them way worse batsmen., simply because umpires fire them and teams with panel umpires know to just go up every time and theyll get decisions

I think Id prefer player umpires as at least you know youre simply not going to get the 5050 decisions etc .. stops the mass team appealing for everything too which is annoying as hell .
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Re: Your 2019 season
« Reply #454 on: September 27, 2019, 10:52:43 PM »

Perhaps I have just been very lucky but I can't remember the last I have played a "proper" match and left the ground thinking an opposition player who also did a spell umpiring was a cheat (maybe it's a Yorkshire thing?). In fact I feel some player/umpires go the other way and give very marginal decisions in the opposition team's favour.  I often find myself umpiring (while playing in a match) and what I find remarkable is number of times batsman are plumb LBW and the bowling team never appeal. Had it in our last league game of the season and the non-striker whispered to me afterwards was that plumb to which I replied yes. The batsman went on to get 90+ and we won with a couple of overs to spare.
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« Reply #455 on: October 09, 2019, 10:54:56 AM »

It is a shame when poor umpiring ruins a game. It is a hard job though and to be fair without umpires we wouldn't get a game. That said, a Level 1 umpires course is really useful and insightful. Defo worth going on if you want to gain more knowledge or your club will pay. My club sent me so we had cover in case our 2nd team umpire couldn't do it (you lose points if you don't have a qualified umpire).

One thing that our course leader said was think how many times you've bowled (or seen it) when the batsman misses the ball and you can not believe the ball didn't hit the stumps. We've all been there, bowlers, keepers, slips even as batsmen. The ball doesn't hit the stumps that often, in fact at the standard i play i would be surprised if 5% of the deliveries bowled in the whole match would have hit the stumps.

It always has to be a case of not out unless you are totally plumb. I feel some umpires feel it makes them seem like a proper umpire to give an LBW.

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Re: Your 2019 season
« Reply #456 on: October 09, 2019, 11:07:28 AM »

the quality of umpiring this year has been dogturd, I would argue mainly through incompetency than cheating (not always though). we have had lbw's given where its not even hit the bat, when stood a meter outside the crease to a round the wicket bowler, lbw when hit in the stomach playing off the backfoot - was amazed they even appealed. our chairman is a panel umpire and he has to be one of the most bowler friendly umpires ive seen, almost appeals with them sometimes.

only once did I really think the oppo umpire cheated and that was when we needed 20 to win in a relegation battle and the trigger finger came out 4 times in 8 balls, all lbw, all absolute shockers to the point they apologised afterwards. @felix knows all about their 2's umpire, has always been a cheat even when he umpired the 1's while I was there. could guarantee he would get you back into a game if it got close.

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Re: Your 2019 season
« Reply #457 on: October 09, 2019, 11:24:05 AM »

It is a shame when poor umpiring ruins a game. It is a hard job though and to be fair without umpires we wouldn't get a game. That said, a Level 1 umpires course is really useful and insightful. Defo worth going on if you want to gain more knowledge or your club will pay. My club sent me so we had cover in case our 2nd team umpire couldn't do it (you lose points if you don't have a qualified umpire).

One thing that our course leader said was think how many times you've bowled (or seen it) when the batsman misses the ball and you can not believe the ball didn't hit the stumps. We've all been there, bowlers, keepers, slips even as batsmen. The ball doesn't hit the stumps that often, in fact at the standard i play i would be surprised if 5% of the deliveries bowled in the whole match would have hit the stumps.

It always has to be a case of not out unless you are totally plumb. I feel some umpires feel it makes them seem like a proper umpire to give an LBW.

If I bowl at a set of stumps without a batsman there, on average about 50% of deliveries hits the stumps.
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Re: Your 2019 season
« Reply #458 on: October 09, 2019, 06:25:58 PM »

If I bowl at a set of stumps without a batsman there, on average about 50% of deliveries hits the stumps.

Useful skill to practice in a game which involves having a batsmen there
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Re: Your 2019 season
« Reply #459 on: October 09, 2019, 07:01:42 PM »

If I bowl at a set of stumps without a batsman there, on average about 50% of deliveries hits the stumps.

Do you find you bowl better with a batsman there than without?

Maybe it's just me here, but bowling at just a set of stumps in the warm up I can be a bit of a scattergun. Put a batsman there and something just clicks and I can pitch it where I want again.

Anyone else?
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Re: Your 2019 season
« Reply #460 on: October 09, 2019, 07:56:23 PM »

Me too. I need a victim rather than 3 sticks
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Re: Your 2019 season
« Reply #461 on: October 10, 2019, 08:32:51 AM »

Do you find you bowl better with a batsman there than without?

Maybe it's just me here, but bowling at just a set of stumps in the warm up I can be a bit of a scattergun. Put a batsman there and something just clicks and I can pitch it where I want again.

Anyone else?

I find it helps to put something down just in front of the crease, like a cone, to mark where the batsman's front foot would be. That helps me calibrate my length.
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Re: Your 2019 season
« Reply #462 on: October 10, 2019, 08:34:40 AM »

Useful skill to practice in a game which involves having a batsmen there

If you can hit the stumps when the batsman isn't there, you should be able to hit the stumps when the batsman is there, so yeah, it is pretty useful.
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