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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2019, 07:50:46 PM »

Having read the above again I can understand why people rather stick to lead with your head
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2019, 07:57:19 PM »

On the contrary, an over-riding obsession with getting the head in line with the ball leads to the exact vulnerability to late inswing/inseam that OP describes. Its actually more likely that he is leading TOO STRONGLY with the head, and getting it outside the (post-deviation) line of the ball.  Telling him to lead even more with his head is only going to make the problem worse.

The key to playing swing is to avoid overcommitting to playing a particular line, but instead using smaller movements to get into a more balanced adaptable position, where you can access the ball whether it moves in or away, and then trust in your hands to instinctively adjust to any late movement.

I've been coaching a group of teenagers this winter this exact thing using tennis balls half covered in tape and throwing them at them at 70mph with random swing directions. Teaching them to use small movements, stay relaxed, and trust their hands has improved their skills considerably - if I had said "lead with your head", they'd still be getting clean bowled every ball.
Trust your hands to adjust to late movement is following the ball a sure way of getting a nick behind
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2019, 08:06:00 PM »

Ill  take it SLA you are making wild generalisations rather than attacking me. And I guess you have multiple degrees and letters before and after you name that mean you know it all.

And Cys1 has put it quite nicely, coaching is about being able to transfer complex skills across in an easy digestible format for the learner. Which ultimately the means player doesnt need to understand that they need to use a proximal to distal kinetic chain to achieve maximum exit velocity. But means if they have a have a stable base and rotate their trunk quickly and extend their arms during the pull shot it will travel off the bat quicker than before.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2019, 08:31:49 PM »

The key to playing swing is to avoid overcommitting to playing a particular line, but instead using smaller movements to get into a more balanced adaptable position, where you can access the ball whether it moves in or away, and then trust in your hands to instinctively adjust to any late movement.
Aka the Keaton Jennings method?
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2019, 08:50:34 PM »

If you instinctively adjust to the line of a swinging ball you will knick off. It is only a matter of time. You meed to be able to hold your shape.
But that is a different thread to planting your front foot.

Complete rubbish. Of course you adjust to the line of a swinging ball, what else do you do, just proudly hold your pose as the ball smacks into off stump?

Honestly, you don't half talk some crap.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2019, 08:52:55 PM »

It would be very naive to think that so many successful players and coaches would mention this cliche without there being any truth to it.
But lets just have a look to see if this does have any science to it.
Lead with your head is a simplified way to convey the idea that for best results when playing off the front foot your body needs to aligned with the ball. Its not a wholly accurate description of everything that needs to happen when playing off the front foot but it covers most parts which makes it an ideal term to use for the majority of cricketer who do not have the opportunity to get good 1:1 coaching.  The secret is that you need your body to move towards the line of the ball and leave you in a position make contact with the ball and play an attacking or defensive stroke that should ideally not get you out. You would then be looking to transfer Force from your bat to the ball as optimally as possible. Based on sound physics principles we know that Force is linked to Mass ( Weight ) and therefore weight transfer ( another cliche ) into the line of the ball is essential to maximize the Force imparted onto the ball on contact with the bat. This would be rather difficult to with your head leaning backwards and hence the expression lead with your head.

I think that you would find a lot of science at the heart of many of these cliches. They are all just simplified and palatable ways of trying to convey more complex principles.

Scientifically speaking, this is complete gibberish. It's beyond wrong, it doesn't even make sense.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2019, 08:54:24 PM »

Aka the Keaton Jennings method?

No, pretty much the exact opposite. Keaton liked to hold a pose and hope for the best, kinda like buzz advocates.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2019, 08:57:11 PM »

Ill  take it SLA you are making wild generalisations rather than attacking me. And I guess you have multiple degrees and letters before and after you name that mean you know it all.

And Cys1 has put it quite nicely, coaching is about being able to transfer complex skills across in an easy digestible format for the learner. Which ultimately the means player doesnt need to understand that they need to use a proximal to distal kinetic chain to achieve maximum exit velocity. But means if they have a have a stable base and rotate their trunk quickly and extend their arms during the pull shot it will travel off the bat quicker than before.

Giving them advice that is completely wrong is not going to help. The player might not need to understand the science, but the coach sure as hell does. The level of understanding on this forum is... disheartening.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2019, 08:59:27 PM »

No, pretty much the exact opposite. Keaton liked to hold a pose and hope for the best, kinda like buzz advocates.
Nope, Jennings over strides and is stiff and wafts his bat towards the ball with "an instinctive" hand movement.

Holding your shape is different.

Enough of the ranting though. Everyone has their own methods, if that works great.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2019, 09:04:56 PM »

Nope, Jennings over strides and is stiff and wafts his bat towards the ball with "an instinctive" hand movement.

Holding your shape is different.

Enough of the ranting though. Everyone has their own methods, if that works great.

Completely wrong. His problem is and always has been that he simply plays the line rather than proactively hitting the ball. Obviously this leaves him incredibly vulnerable to the slightest bit of lateral movement.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2019, 09:06:50 PM »

When is the SLA coached forum net for us plebs to learn the wise ways of science and the meaning of life?

@alexevo94 can you just modify your existing technique slightly to plant your foot to cow and swing your pro willow with fury like 99% of successful amateur cricketers/ forum members to just end this whole discussion :D "the problem is your bat. It keeps missing the ball" - SLA gem #1. Did that help at all? :D
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2019, 09:08:20 PM »

The level of understanding on this forum is... disheartening.

Please do feel free to leave at any time...
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2019, 09:12:42 PM »

Honestly, you don't half talk some crap.

Pot, kettle, black.

Your superiority complex is embarrassing and strange.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2019, 09:13:51 PM »

Please do feel free to leave at any time...

Nah, I think it's important that someone calls out the bullshit bad advice and pseudoscienctific nonsense that is constantly peddled here.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2019, 09:21:56 PM »

When is the SLA coached forum net for us plebs to learn the wise ways of science and the meaning of life?

Dont we all have to wear grey shorts and share gear to be invited?

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