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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #90 on: April 25, 2019, 08:45:32 AM »

@alexevo94 if you can get past the pages of pointless opinions by someone that believes they are gods gift to cricket and the coaching world I have a couple of tips that really helped me 3 seasons ago when I was having the same problem (8 of my 10 dismissals that season were LBW)

Firstly i opened my stance a little so i was slightly more front on and i moved my guard from 2 (middle and leg) to leg stump. I very side on before this but I found my front pad was not going down the wicket more across and over.

Secondly ensure your left eye, assuming your a Rh bat is looking down the line of your shoulder, this will aid with the bat path coming to meet the ball at a straighter angle and in your back light have bat straight, ie not high up angled towards 2nd or 3rd slip.

Third a very small trigger movement back and across leading with the back foot but keeping your weight going forward to meet the ball.

I found these really helped and I didnt find i needed lots of coaches using words or phrases from text books or made up ones. I just found something that worked for me. Finally enjoy batting, so much of our troubles in in our minds and we obsess over the perfect shot or technique.
Good luck with it mate

Yep, this is more or less what I did (Minus the trigger movement) and it worked pretty well.

Absolutely agree with forgetting about trying to get a perfect technique and just finding one that is right for you even if it looks different from everyone else.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #91 on: April 25, 2019, 08:46:17 AM »

i disagree with this on a personal level as (as a few people on here will be able to confirm) i have a large issue where i back away from the ball, unless i really concentrate on leading (and leaning) and getting my head towards the ball, if im concentrating on that, my head goes first, followed by my feet (to stop me falling over) and then my shoulders and arm/bat come through the line almost simultaneously)

if im playing a clip off my legs again its effectively a straight bat shot, head toward ball, foot follows, arms and bat through the line, wrist "break" on impact to guide ball to leg.

off side, head first, feet follow, arms and bat through ball

back foot shots, head toward line of ball, feet follow arms and bat come through.

when i dont concentrate on getting my head to the ball it my feet both go to leg, head leans back wild swing and miss


There are degrees of bad technique. Changing from no technique at all (backing away from the ball, wild swing with head in the air) to poor technique may lead to a small improvement in outcome, but it doesn't stop it being bad technique and bad advice.

You'd be better off getting some actual coaching advice from a competent coach.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #93 on: April 25, 2019, 08:54:16 AM »

I would love to know how you can lean into a shot with your shoulder but leaving your head behind.

Perhaps it's like "wobble seam"?
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #94 on: April 25, 2019, 09:13:39 AM »

A few practical ideas that don't involve completely overhauling your technique. In the interest of forum self preservation I must stress that these are just things I adhere to and help me, but they might help you.

1. Hit Balls, as many as you can. When everybody else goes in for a beverage after training, grab a mate and hit another 50 balls.

2. Watch videos. Monkey see monkey do, I think its extremely overlooked in coaching at club level, and you don't need a professional film crew or to even watch footage of yourself. Get on YouTube and watch videos of the pros, slow motion replays, I always went to videos of Mike Hussey. Just watch and identify what they do well.

3. Keep your head/eyes level. Whether you lead with it or not, if your eyes aren't level and your head isn't still, it's going to be hard to hit a moving target consistently.

4. Don't stress too much, you'll find a way. Simply you might just be over aware and over correcting. Trust your process, if it worked in the past it can work again. I think it was Matt Renshaw who had a shocking run of form that saw him lose his test spot because he couldn't buy a run in shield cricket, but was told to sing a song in his head while he was facing up, essentially clearing all the conflicting messages in his mind and letting the countless hours in the nets and muscle memory do their job.

Anywho, all the best.
There are lots of good points on this thread and some not so good ones, back yourself, trust your process and don't forget to enjoy it.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #95 on: April 25, 2019, 09:22:10 AM »


There are degrees of bad technique. Changing from no technique at all (backing away from the ball, wild swing with head in the air) to poor technique may lead to a small improvement in outcome, but it doesn't stop it being bad technique and bad advice.

You'd be better off getting some actual coaching advice from a competent coach.

i have and he concurred with @Buzz this lead to me having my best season last year
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #96 on: April 25, 2019, 09:28:05 AM »

Best way to not end up overthinking every shot you attempt to play? Don't read this thread. You don't need perfect technique to score runs look at Steve Smith!

Whether it's leaning or leading, weight shift or rotation (eh!) just try to keep your head still, play the ball under your head if possible (straight deliveries only obviously) and have your momentum moving towards the ball. Practice in the nets until you find what works for you (a trigger movement may help) and unless you have any aspirations to play at county level ignore the rest.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #97 on: April 25, 2019, 09:37:13 AM »

Minor quibble, but surely this depends on the batsman's dominant eye?

I am a big fan of leading eye discussions, my leading eye is my right eye and I line up my eyes with my helmet visor to get a similar outcome to Chris, whose leading eye is, I guess, his left eye.

I have a theory (totally disproved in a highly scientific poll on here) that your leading eye should be your outside eye. But that has been discussed previously !!
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #98 on: April 25, 2019, 09:44:45 AM »

I am a big fan of leading eye discussions, my leading eye is my right eye and I line up my eyes with my helmet visor to get a similar outcome to Chris, whose leading eye is, I guess, his left eye.

I have a theory (totally disproved in a highly scientific poll on here) that your leading eye should be your outside eye. But that has been discussed previously !!

Most people have a dominant eye just as most people have a dominant hand, this has nothing to do with cricket and isn't something you can change.

I'm not aware of any particular advantage or disadvantage associated with the inside or outside eye being the dominant eye - although you can quite spot that outside eye dominant batsmen tend to have slightly more open stances (top half, at least) and they have to bring their head around more to get a good view of the ball.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #99 on: April 25, 2019, 09:55:48 AM »

just try to keep your head still, play the ball under your head if possible (straight deliveries only obviously) and have your momentum moving towards the ball.

There are plenty of examples of shots where your "momentum" (ie movement of your COM) doesn't move towards the ball. Pretty much any backfoot cover drive to a spinner is played whist COM is moving towards the leg side, lots of hook shots are played with COM moving towards the offside, cuts and bf drives to pace bowlers are often played with COM moving vertically upwards (often the batsman jumps in the air) and a wide variety of shots, for example sweeps, dabs and some drives, are played with no significant movement of the COM at the moment of contact (and hence no "momentum") at all.

Whenever there is movement of the COM towards the ball through contact, it tends to be a coincidence rather than a factor in bat speed or connection quality.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #100 on: April 25, 2019, 10:20:02 AM »

There are plenty of examples of shots where your "momentum" (ie movement of your COM) doesn't move towards the ball. Pretty much any backfoot cover drive to a spinner is played whist COM is moving towards the leg side, lots of hook shots are played with COM moving towards the offside, cuts and bf drives to pace bowlers are often played with COM moving vertically upwards (often the batsman jumps in the air) and a wide variety of shots, for example sweeps, dabs and some drives, are played with no significant movement of the COM at the moment of contact (and hence no "momentum") at all.

Whenever there is movement of the COM towards the ball through contact, it tends to be a coincidence rather than a factor in bat speed or connection quality.

Yes I know that. But the OP is planting his foot and getting caught lbw and so I assume the ball is straight and of good to full length in which case you would be unlikely to be playing a cut, a hook or a back foot drive. Thought you might have sussed that yourself.

I didn't mention bat speed or connection quality - getting your momentum moving towards the ball is more about getting yourself in the right position, not necessarily about how hard you hit it.

Anyway - I've given my advice based upon my experience and it makes a lot more sense to me than anything you have posted.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #101 on: April 25, 2019, 10:29:33 AM »

Yes I know that. But the OP is planting his foot and getting caught lbw and so I assume the ball is straight and of good to full length in which case you would be unlikely to be playing a cut, a hook or a back foot drive. Thought you might have sussed that yourself.

Anyway - I've given my advice based upon my experience and it makes a lot more sense to me than anything you have posted.

Right, but even with a drive, its not actually necessary or particularly beneficial to shift your COM as you hit the ball. There are plenty of examples of batsmen who have their body weight forward and over on their front foot before the ball arrives and then simply hit the ball from a stable base purely with their upper body.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #102 on: April 25, 2019, 10:37:54 AM »

Right, but even with a drive, its not actually necessary or particularly beneficial to shift your COM as you hit the ball. There are plenty of examples of batsmen who have their body weight forward and over on their front foot before the ball arrives and then simply hit the ball from a stable base purely with their upper body.

That's because they have already got into position. I give up - I'm out of here. Your obstinacy must be almost as legendary as your coaching.
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« Reply #103 on: April 25, 2019, 10:53:43 AM »

That's because they have already got into position. I give up - I'm out of here. Your obstinacy must be almost as legendary as your coaching.

I think perhaps you're just using the term "momentum" incorrectly. It might make sense to you, but if it doesn't make sense to anyone else its not much use.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #104 on: April 25, 2019, 11:45:26 AM »

Going to stop the conversation for now as I think there is plenty for the poster to think about.
And a load of other waffle.
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