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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2019, 08:53:38 PM »

Still think Hildreth massively hard done by, been so consistent over the years.
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2019, 09:19:47 PM »

And then bat them at 6 though? Because with Roy and Denly playing the powers that be have obviously given them 1st crack at the top spots. Then Root and Bairstow bat 4 and 5.

Well, if the alternative is Sam Curran at 5 or 6?

Ideally no. Maybe Root moves down one or Roy bat's five, depends who you go for. But... Go for someone, bacause we won't play six bowlers in the Ashes, and it'd be better to look at someone who might fill that gap. Even if the first test side is fixed, you don't know what will happen, so give the next cab a bit of experience.
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2019, 09:22:43 PM »

Agree with others we seem a batsman short, at least one. Denly 3 and could well have an Ashes spot. Experienced player at 3 with two young batsmen seems a good idea.. Don't subscribe that after 30 there's no place in the side.

For what it's worth I think Malan should be around the side this summer, but I would play Foakes and Bairstow as a specialist bat.

That won't happen thou, I reckon we are still no closer finding the best young batsmen not in the team.

We won't find out against Ireland but be interested to see what the forum view is.

I think

Sibley
Livingstone
Clarke
Hameed
Lawrence

But is one of them so much better than the other

Seems a bunch who are good but nothing outstanding.

Could be any of Stoneman, Lyth, Robson, Gubbins, Bracey, Ballance, Malan, Brown, Westley, Lawrence, Northeast, DBD, Crawley, Clarke, TKC, Duckett, Hameed, Livingstone, Davies, Banton, Sibley, Rhodes, Hain...
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2019, 09:47:06 PM »

I want to believe in Hameed, but it just doesnt seem to be happening. Indeed it may not happen until he changes county/dumps his dad as coach.

I still think Malan deserves another couple of chances. Mind you, Im still touting this mental Ashes XI:

Roy
Bairstow
Woakes
Root
Malan
Stokes
Foakes
Ali
Rashid
Archer
Anderson
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2019, 09:54:39 PM »

I want to believe in Hameed, but it just doesnt seem to be happening. Indeed it may not happen until he changes county/dumps his dad as coach.

I still think Malan deserves another couple of chances. Mind you, Im still touting this mental Ashes XI:

Roy
Bairstow
Woakes
Root
Malan
Stokes
Foakes
Ali
Rashid
Archer
Anderson

Roy and Bairstow opening with Woakes at 3, that's mental enough...but only two quicks plus Stokes and two spinners?? Even more mental! Not even got to no Butler yet!  :D
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2019, 10:18:06 PM »

Well, if the alternative is Sam Curran at 5 or 6?

Ideally no. Maybe Root moves down one or Roy bat's five, depends who you go for. But... Go for someone, bacause we won't play six bowlers in the Ashes, and it'd be better to look at someone who might fill that gap. Even if the first test side is fixed, you don't know what will happen, so give the next cab a bit of experience.
Curran (or Woakes) at 6 makes some sense, because that's potentially only one Stokes injury away anyway, but having no number 5 bat and giving Lewis Gregory a random game instead of testing out the next batsman in is bizarre. Can't see how we're not going to call up another batsman at some stage in the Ashes, so given the chance it's daft not to give Sibley (or whoever) a run out first.
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2019, 01:21:41 AM »

For the Ashes, England has to play Anderson and Woakes along with anyone who can move the ball in the air. The limp wristed and spineless Australian top/middle order are absolutely useless when the ball is doing a bit, and will fold like a deck of cards. England could bat reverse order and still be fine, you'd only be chasing 30.
I predict another series whitewash, and I'm Australian. On fairly flat bouncy wickets in Australia it might be different, but our blokes just don't have the patience, concentration or balls to tough it out and wait for the conditions to suit them.
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2019, 07:37:20 AM »

Roy and Bairstow opening with Woakes at 3, that's mental enough...but only two quicks plus Stokes and two spinners?? Even more mental! Not even got to no Butler yet!  :D

Not as mental as you may think.

Cricket is partly a mental game, Bairstow and Roy are simple souls, just let them keep doing what they are doing

With no other obvious candidate, everyone keeps saying what a great batting technique Woakes has, let him do it

2 quicks with both Stokes and Woakes in support, lessens the workload on both of the previously mentioned

2 spinners will play on Australias arrogance/aggression

Butler is unlucky, but he will take over from Morgan soon and will have World Cups and T20 World Cups to plan for, let him concentrate on that
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2019, 08:03:36 AM »

Not as mental as you may think.

Cricket is partly a mental game, Bairstow and Roy are simple souls, just let them keep doing what they are doing

With no other obvious candidate, everyone keeps saying what a great batting technique Woakes has, let him do it

2 quicks with both Stokes and Woakes in support, lessens the workload on both of the previously mentioned

2 spinners will play on Australias arrogance/aggression

Butler is unlucky, but he will take over from Morgan soon and will have World Cups and T20 World Cups to plan for, let him concentrate on that

Sorry, missed Woakes as a bowler as got perplexed by him being at 3!  :D

Big ask to have him at 3 still for me mate but each to their own. A decent technique for a number 7/8 doesn't make him a top 3, especially following Roy and Bairstow. Also think the Aussies would rather see Foakes coming to the crease than Butler. Although I can see your thinking, it's not for me.

 
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2019, 11:41:08 AM »

For the Ashes, England has to play Anderson and Woakes along with anyone who can move the ball in the air. The limp wristed and spineless Australian top/middle order are absolutely useless when the ball is doing a bit, and will fold like a deck of cards. England could bat reverse order and still be fine, you'd only be chasing 30.
I predict another series whitewash, and I'm Australian. On fairly flat bouncy wickets in Australia it might be different, but our blokes just don't have the patience, concentration or balls to tough it out and wait for the conditions to suit them.

That's pretty scathing haha! But is England really any stronger? Personally I can't see this being anything other than a great series, both sides have massive question marks in my opinion. Both sides have their stars and both their unknowns.

As much as you can look into the A series, they haven't lost a game, the bats are making good runs, the reserve bowlers are doing their job. Add to that the most prevalent run scorer in county cricket is Australian, I feel like our stocks are reasonably healthy.

I honestly think it will be one or the more competitive series we have seen in a while.
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2019, 01:33:19 PM »

I think Australia have a good chance of winning the series. Don't underestimate them.
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2019, 02:31:01 PM »

I think the series will follow the trend of the last few...

Closer series at home for England vs Australis (the 3-0 scoreline flattered us previously)

Absolute whopping when Australia play at home against England. 

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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2019, 04:43:52 PM »

Sorry, missed Woakes as a bowler as got perplexed by him being at 3!  :D

Big ask to have him at 3 still for me mate but each to their own. A decent technique for a number 7/8 doesn't make him a top 3, especially following Roy and Bairstow. Also think the Aussies would rather see Foakes coming to the crease than Butler. Although I can see your thinking, it's not for me.

Thats why they wont let me be a selector- they dont share my radical vision!
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2019, 05:49:41 PM »

Surprised there are such low expectations of the Aussie side. England dont have the dominance in tests we have in one daters

Look at both bowling attacks over 5 matches and you might see a close series

Starc, hazlewood,Lyon and Cummins if they can all stay on the park and fit could do well in our conditions.
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2019, 06:28:59 PM »

I am really interested to see what the pitches are going to be like for the Ashes. When you consider what we got for the World Cup (although I realise that was an ICC event).

But we have never ever played an Ashes series this late ie. Starting in August. You have to go back to 2005 for anything close and they started on 21st July.

There has been a lot of cricket on these pitches.
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