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Re: Bats peaking...
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2019, 08:56:39 AM »

You could be right, it may not be the balls themselves.

It might be that you get 100 hittable balls on 10 minutes rather than 30-40 in nets. Or that often people stand there hitting drive after drive out of the same spot. Either way I avoid using my match/best bats on the machine after theyre run in.
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Re: Bats peaking...
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2019, 08:21:15 PM »

Whilst I'm not so sure, to me the Bola balls seem to hit the bat heavier than a cricket ball: this may just be that they are more spongey - i.e. they deform upon impact whereas a cricket ball doesn't... but I recently had to put my Woodstock into the bag due to that one going (knew that was coming - it started going like an absolute train, just about gunning off through for a single from the softest of pushes), so picked out my old Newbury: wasn't a bad stick but was never worthy of the SPS grade (they sent it free when I managed to break the one I selected. Nowhere near as good)...

Had a long net on Thursday, not really facing anything too fast (75-80): broken bat. Split on the same line in two places.

So, I would say that machine balls definitely do seem to do some damage to the willow: as opposed to being hit by the timber, I think they slap the bat, thus causing the bat to absorb more of the impact as opposed to redirecting. That would be my theory... and it seems like a reasonable excuse to buy a new bat...  :D
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Re: Bats peaking...
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2019, 08:27:43 PM »

Back on track re bats peaking... bola on a different topic  ;)
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Re: Bats peaking...
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2019, 10:10:06 AM »

I suppose my question is can you move your bat up the bell curve of performance more quickly by using a Bola without damaging the bat. I feel like the answer is that a reasonable amount of Bola use isn't harmful but beyond 1000 balls is probably inadvisable.
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Re: Bats peaking...
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2019, 09:10:18 AM »

Whilst I'm not so sure, to me the Bola balls seem to hit the bat heavier than a cricket ball: this may just be that they are more spongey - i.e. they deform upon impact whereas a cricket ball doesn't... but I recently had to put my Woodstock into the bag due to that one going (knew that was coming - it started going like an absolute train, just about gunning off through for a single from the softest of pushes), so picked out my old Newbury: wasn't a bad stick but was never worthy of the SPS grade (they sent it free when I managed to break the one I selected. Nowhere near as good)...

Had a long net on Thursday, not really facing anything too fast (75-80): broken bat. Split on the same line in two places.

So, I would say that machine balls definitely do seem to do some damage to the willow: as opposed to being hit by the timber, I think they slap the bat, thus causing the bat to absorb more of the impact as opposed to redirecting. That would be my theory... and it seems like a reasonable excuse to buy a new bat...  :D
Could they hit the bat harder because I'm guessing you don't face anyone actually bowling at 75-80 too often? Especially if on a quicker indoor surface.

The idea that BOLA balls cause significantly more damage than cricket balls is a daft one imo. Facing way more balls than you would against human bowlers, at faster speeds, and more consistently hitting the same spot on the bat is obviously going to lead to quicker delamination though.
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Re: Bats peaking...
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2019, 09:35:48 AM »

Ive use the gray nicolls ball machine balls. They're fine with bats, possibly better than normal cricket balls as there isn't a seam. If you're smashing 80mph balls off the toe then you'll likely cause some damage I'm sure.
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Re: Bats peaking...
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2019, 09:58:30 AM »

The only issue with Bola balls in my view is that as a Club player you can face a far higher volume of them than you can ever find net bowlers to bowl at you so your bats will naturally suffer more wear and tear.

Personally I think Bola balls are better for your bats than cricket balls.  The Bola ball is softer so flattens in impact therefore spreading the force over a larger area whereas a cricket ball is harder so the force Impacts on the bat in a smaller area
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Re: Bats peaking...
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2019, 10:58:55 AM »

Based on experience rather than fact, but do worry that the different composition of bola balls caused delamination. Dont know enough about impact physics or causes of delamination to really speculate why.
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Re: Bats peaking...
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2019, 11:11:58 AM »

Based on experience rather than fact, but do worry that the different composition of bola balls caused delamination. Dont know enough about impact physics or causes of delamination to really speculate why.
I've used bowling machine 4 or 5 days a week for 1.5hours for two years around 75mph, didn't delaminate. I did have a AS Sports bat delaminate while knocking in recently... Which is crazy. Other bat's were GN and NB so could be brand related
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Re: Bats peaking...
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2019, 03:17:24 PM »

Given the amount of cricket most of us play, it does definitely take a season for us to open a bat.

If we all count number of balls we hit on the bat every week (a guess), that helps. For example, if I go to team nets, batting is for 15 minutes and in those 15 minutes, you get to face 36-42 balls (6-7 overs) out of which half are the ones which are either bouncers, wides, or something which you leave. The remaining half which is 18-21 which is which you hit the middle or off centre. So, in 18-21 balls, you can't really open a bat.

You need to hit at least 500 balls in the middle to have bat opened up.
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Re: Bats peaking...
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2019, 03:28:52 PM »

Good responses...

Looks like I will be sticking with my bats for next season and looking for a bat for the year after this end of season sales...

I really wish I had been disciplined and kept some of my bats rather than swapping and changing!
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Re: Bats peaking...
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2019, 04:13:37 PM »

Given the amount of cricket most of us play, it does definitely take a season for us to open a bat.

If we all count number of balls we hit on the bat every week (a guess), that helps. For example, if I go to team nets, batting is for 15 minutes and in those 15 minutes, you get to face 36-42 balls (6-7 overs) out of which half are the ones which are either bouncers, wides, or something which you leave. The remaining half which is 18-21 which is which you hit the middle or off centre. So, in 18-21 balls, you can't really open a bat.

You need to hit at least 500 balls in the middle to have bat opened up.

Well said. I face the same situation here too.
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Re: Bats peaking...
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2019, 06:16:39 PM »

Good responses...

Looks like I will be sticking with my bats for next season and looking for a bat for the year after this end of season sales...

I really wish I had been disciplined and kept some of my bats rather than swapping and changing!

Honestly, the best bats buys are the ones which are in For Sale section here, they are best buys because they are 25% or so off the price and have been played in as well.
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Re: Bats peaking...
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2019, 07:52:55 PM »

Good responses...

Looks like I will be sticking with my bats for next season and looking for a bat for the year after this end of season sales...

I really wish I had been disciplined and kept some of my bats rather than swapping and changing!

Exactly what Ill be doing mate, I have 6 bats at the moment all of which I would be happy to use in a match but Ill stick with the two Iv used all year. During the winter I reckon I will move on two maybe 3 and replace with 1 or 2 new models once I see whats out and released, they will get net sessions with the view to being a match bat in the 2021 season. Thats how Iv rotated my bats the last 3 years and so far never had an issue
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Re: Bats peaking...
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2019, 09:38:08 PM »

Good news, I think that really puts it into perspective.
On a good week in summer I'd probably bat for 20 minutes total at training and then about 3 minutes in a game so it should be some time around 2050 that all of my bats will be played in. Or I'll just use them against the machines for a few hours each (200 balls per hour) and that will get them to a point where my mis timed swipes may actually make it off the square.
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