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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #360 on: December 03, 2019, 12:28:33 AM »

Thats a viewpoint, another would be if you look back to the sides that were up the top or the best in the world their batting(and bowling) line ups stayed pretty much the same regardless of where they were touring, the backed the players to adapt.

You could also have the view we are no where near knowing are best batting line up, the horses for courses conditions might mean we stay not knowing for ages.

Sri Lanka are a poor test side, we should beat them without Jennings but with Sibley,Crawley,Burns.

I say we should beat them  :)

I don't think that even with the best England sides there has been, you would see an 11 who finished a series in Sri Lanka to start the first test of an English summer.

Test wins always from home are hard to come by and this certainly isn't an England team that can afford to take anyone lightly.  I think that you just take one series at a time when  you are at the start of an Ashes cycle and simply pick the best squad for that series. 
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #361 on: December 03, 2019, 12:46:06 AM »

Does anyone have a worse record with DRS than Joe Root?
He seems to burn reviews like nobody's business

Literally everyone, he's one of the best at DRS
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #362 on: December 03, 2019, 01:05:43 AM »

Does anyone have a worse record with DRS than Joe Root?
He seems to burn reviews like nobody's business

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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #363 on: December 03, 2019, 03:55:51 AM »

Just seen the joe Denly drop...the reaction on players faces.Archer runs away celebrating only to be told by Williamson that it has been dropped....priceless cricket.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #364 on: December 03, 2019, 05:26:33 AM »

Another series win at home for NZ. Second best team in the world for a reason

Taylor and Williamson showed how flat this pitch was even on day 5. Wagner gets a lot of stick but highly effective bowler even at 78mph

Next couple of series should be a test for NZ, going to Aus and then hosting India. Think Raval needs to be dropped, looks out of form
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #365 on: December 03, 2019, 06:52:35 AM »

Good series win for NZ. England were a disgrace in the first match, but a bit better here (well, Root and Burns were anyway).

The bowling lineup worries me for SA. They seem to be using the kookaburra ball for an excuse to bowl poorly, and even the UK media seem to be jumping on that bandwagon too. Lets not forget that the likes of Boult and all the Aussie quicks have excellent test figures using this ball, so it cant be that bad.

Wagner bowled great for NZ. Similar pace to Curran, but I know I would prefer to have in my team every single time.

Pope shouldnt be burdened with the gloves ever again. Poor selection not to have a backup keeper on the tour, and its probably good that he dropped the Williamson dolly, as if he hadnt, the selectors might have felt that they had gotten away with it.

Denlys drop was comical, but hes an excellent fielder. I dont think it was the worst drop ever, but possibly the 2nd worst. Michael Vaughan still has that trophy.

Things need to improve quickly for England, or the tour to SA could be quite a painful one.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #366 on: December 03, 2019, 08:02:53 AM »

Denlys drop was comical, but hes an excellent fielder. I dont think it was the worst drop ever, but possibly the 2nd worst. Michael Vaughan still has that trophy.

Oh how wrong you are.

I take your Denly, your Vaughan, and raise you one Mike Gatting. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWtCUKwaTgU
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #367 on: December 03, 2019, 09:24:54 AM »

so what have we learnt from this tour?

root can still bat
stokes is our best player
we have solved one opening position
Denly is our best option at 3

we knew most of this already

What is still to solve?

one opener - i do think sibley is the man
bowling attack - always pick the spinner, broad if in form always plays, rotate the others
how to take wickets on flat tracks - long time issue, dont see a solution unless root starts using archer better
how to bowl with a kookaburra - use the kookaburra here in the CC (autrailia use the dukes in sheffield shield in the year before ashes series here for some games)
selections - consistent and more in line with first test, give people time, pick on form
long term 3 - could be crawley not sen enough to make that call (thought he opened though) depending on his knee, stokes could be our next great 3 dont @ me
who keeps wicket - foakes, end of, yes hes not had the best year but scored 100 on test debut played very well in Sri Lanka and is by miles the best gloveman - his odi debut innings over in malahide was top class too - really saved us in a game we we losing and not a typical one day knock more test style
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #368 on: December 03, 2019, 11:14:51 AM »

Why on earth would an England team have Zak Crawley batting at no. 6 and Ollie Pope keeping wicket?
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #369 on: December 03, 2019, 11:18:06 AM »

Why on earth would an England team have Zak Crawley batting at no. 6 and Ollie Pope keeping wicket?

Because we were daft and didn't take a spare keeper?
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #370 on: December 03, 2019, 11:25:16 AM »

Why on earth would an England team have Zak Crawley batting at no. 6 and Ollie Pope keeping wicket?

Coz Ed Smith is a genius.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #371 on: December 03, 2019, 11:28:57 AM »

I don't normally do "why, oh why?' selection posts, so it must be bad. ;)
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #372 on: December 03, 2019, 12:19:07 PM »

The most contentious point for me is not that we chose an inexperienced player as backup keeper... it's what on earth is Jos Buttler doing putting his back out in the gym the day before a test match!
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #373 on: December 03, 2019, 12:31:29 PM »

For me it poses a bigger overall question and that is actually how seriously were we taking this trip to NZ when it has been widely broadcast that it wasn't in the Test Championship - if it was in the TC would we have kept Bairstow in NZ? or did they just think well it doesn't really matter what happens on the off chance we need a keeper etc..., it is more beneficial for Bairstow to go to SA early and work on his batting with Trott, rather than sit there and carry the drinks.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #374 on: December 03, 2019, 12:42:07 PM »

it is more beneficial for Bairstow to go to SA early and work on his batting with Trott, rather than sit there and carry the drinks.

whichever way you look at it, not having a proper reserve keeper was a massive gaffe. 
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