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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2019, 06:48:22 AM »


Im not happy with the way the England set up is going... Giles, Silverwood, Gough... all names from an era where England played rubbish test cricket and usually got walloped. Whos next? Ronnie Irani?

Maybe Mark Ramprakash should be batting coach....oh wait!

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Back to back titles with Essex and positive noises from some Essex players in the articke abv on his style and man mmanagement says to me he's earned it. He's an English coach who's had success at CC level and been around the side already, so a logical progression and one which should be applauded in my book

No real issues with this - You've got to grow your coaches from somewhere and like you say he's had some success at CC level which makes sense - but I'm concerned about him handing out jobs to his mates....

Can't really see an issue with it tbf. Loads of experience as an international bowler and its only a short term deal. I'm sure he'll offer something to the seamers.

That's the problem though isn't - he has less international experience than some of the bowlers already in the team! I would rather have seen Jimmy A brought along as the consultant if he's not not fit, an undoubted master of analytical swing bowling, than Darren Gough who is a self confessed 'I just get it up there as fast as I can' type.


Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic - perhaps Goughy is just enough of a good bloke that he's worth having around for the tour (although in Anderson's autobigraphy he does mention that he wasn't particularly friendly when he first went to the dressing room) - but I do get nervous about good ex players getting coaching roles with zero experience: Martin Johnson, Solskjaer - sport is littered with them...to play devil's advocate to my own point though Andy Farrell has done pretty well
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2019, 10:15:27 AM »

I'm sorry but is anybody else disappointed/ concerned about the appointment of Darren Gough as the bowling consultant for the tour? I'm not a pessimist and I hope I'm proved wrong but this is nagging me.

To me the appointment of Silverwood was slightly strange when there were other coaches with more international experience but I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. His appointment of Gough, however, smacks to me of another 'jobs for the boys' appointment. No coaching experience whatsoever but now the bowling coach for the international team? Like I say I very much hope there are sound reasons for dong this but from the outside looking in, it looks a lot like 'I always admired Darren and he was a decent bowler, maybe he should be coach' - We will not find another Troy Cooley with this attitude.


I was underwhelmed by the appointment of Silverwood as head coach.  It smacked of Giles boxing himself into a corner by limiting himself to English coaches rather than appointing the best available person to the job.  I hope when it comes to appointing a permanent bowling coach the search will be more thorough.

Bringing an old team mate along on an overseas trip to fill an important coaching role isn't a great start particularly when you are taking a young squad.  The back room staff does look more like a 1990s old boys' reunion than a top level coaching set up
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2019, 11:27:06 AM »

Surprised at people moaning about Silverwood's appointment - what more could he possibly have done to show he was good for the job? Turned Essex around and won back to back titles with a promotion in the middle, then has been very well received by the England squad and worked wonders with Broad. What more could an English coach have done? Not interested in anyone's coaching record in dodgy overseas t20 gigs, pretty irrelevant to managing a test match team.
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2019, 04:09:43 AM »

I'm sure some of you will slag him off for not being there at the end, but James Vince can't half bat!
59 off 38, with 7 fours and 2 sixes. Knock lad

Good win for England in the first T20I, including a first international wicket for Pat Brown
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2019, 07:36:06 AM »

Stylish Vince guides England the headline on line

Actually glad he is still around the squad, lots of class and has all the shots. Hasnt shown he can concentrate in an England shirt much.
Frustrating.

Should be locked away for a month with Chris Tavere...80s England player and a monumental blocker.
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2019, 02:55:57 PM »

Not seen much of the highlights but that looks like a solid day from the bowlers, particularly Sam and Tom going for just 7 combined in the first 3 overs, Tom getting a maiden.
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #51 on: November 04, 2019, 07:43:54 AM »

This series is at a hugely inconvenient time for UK viewers, guessing that's lead to the relative silence on here! Would like to see Banton get some games, not really sure why we're playing a top 3 of pretty experienced players who likely wouldn't get in the first choice XI - better looking at someone who might break in, surely.
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #52 on: November 04, 2019, 08:49:20 AM »

saw the highlights of the second and watched the third,

complete reversal in the second game, cant understand why we arent playing banton either,

brown looks ok although probably no quite there yet lloks a prospect! gregory looks better at the moment imo
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #53 on: November 04, 2019, 09:03:52 AM »

saw the highlights of the second and watched the third,
What were the scores in the third mate? Hope you're using the time machine well, could make a few quid at the bookies!
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #54 on: November 04, 2019, 09:24:03 AM »

What were the scores in the third mate? Hope you're using the time machine well, could make a few quid at the bookies!

oops!!
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2019, 01:59:22 AM »

Parkinson has looked tidy so far on debut and isn't afraid to take the pace right off the ball. He could be a key bowler for England for a long time if he lives up to his early promise.

As for Saqib Mahmood, he's shown no evidence he's an international class bowler so far. It looks as if he's quick with no radar, was his call up too soon?
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #56 on: November 05, 2019, 07:09:00 AM »

Parkinson has looked tidy so far on debut and isn't afraid to take the pace right off the ball. He could be a key bowler for England for a long time if he lives up to his early promise.

As for Saqib Mahmood, he's shown no evidence he's an international class bowler so far. It looks as if he's quick with no radar, was his call up too soon?

Reminds me of watching Sajid Mahmood in an England shirt. Poor.
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #57 on: November 05, 2019, 08:09:24 AM »

How on Earth do you screw up chasing that? It's not like it was an inexperienced T20 side either...
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #58 on: November 05, 2019, 06:57:27 PM »

As for Saqib Mahmood, he's shown no evidence he's an international class bowler so far. It looks as if he's quick with no radar, was his call up too soon?

Or was this a really good opportunity for him to spend a few weeks with the squad in a relatively low pressure situation?  He may not be international class right this moment, but he has massive potential and should be encouraged.
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Re: England Squad For New Zealand
« Reply #59 on: November 05, 2019, 07:45:48 PM »

Mahmood need time and should be given it.

We lost because of 5-10 in 18 balls with experienced players giving it away.

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