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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2019, 01:45:40 PM »

I agree that bowling attack looks great (especially away from home) however for that to happen it means Leach or Archer batting at 8, so the top 7 would have to be scoring seriously consistent runs, which just isn't happening at the moment.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2019, 02:05:16 PM »

I agree that bowling attack looks great (especially away from home) however for that to happen it means Leach or Archer batting at 8, so the top 7 would have to be scoring seriously consistent runs, which just isn't happening at the moment.

I genuinely wouldn't mine leach at 8
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2019, 04:23:03 PM »


Those who saying not wood he bowled one of the most exciting spells I've ever seen live in the Caribbean and is a class act


Granted, but he isnt fit. It's a wasted pick.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2019, 04:33:21 PM »

Bairstow will be the spare keeper and had been in South Africa on the fast bowlers workshop clearly working on his game

Those who saying not wood he bowled one of the most exciting spells I've ever seen live in the Caribbean and is a class act

Bowling attack of Anderson broad wood and Archer with leach is one id genuinely go out of my way to watch!

Yes so initially Bairstow was to come back as a specialist batsman or so England hinted. In fact hes just competing with Butler now and it appears England just want him in. I can see Butler being left out from the start here.

Bairstow has done exactly nothing in terms of runs to be recalled to the squad, and to think he is preventing the best keeper we have from touring is a massive shame. You cannot have Butler,Bairstow and Foakes..and you could throw Pope in, all on the same tour.

But..on the plus side yes so pleased Anderson is back

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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2019, 10:05:08 PM »

Bairstow... should never play test cricket again
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2019, 10:09:37 PM »

Got to love the repetitive hate of Bairstow.  Some frustrated keyboard warriors out there.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2019, 11:46:31 PM »

Got to love the repetitive hate of Bairstow.  Some frustrated keyboard warriors out there.
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Yes Im 100% with you. How on earth is the legendary Sir Jonathan Marc Bairstow not in the playing XI. With such incredible figures Im surprised hes not topping the ICC player rankings...
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2019, 02:45:45 AM »

For a while, he was our best test batsman.

He just lost it in the pursuit of ODI/World Cup glory. His time might come again in the squad I guess.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2019, 07:51:39 AM »

Bairstow is one if the best batsmen England have got. Whether he has performing to his best is obviously a different question.

My issues with him are...
1. Stropping when not keeper. He isn't a patch on Foakes. He needs to accept that and say I will bat at three and fill that gap for England.

2. As the above, he should be working to adapt his technique to be able to bat at three. Not hiding at 5, 6 or 7.

All in all, he is an example of what is wrong with this team.

The leadership is trying to please people rather than doing what is right for the team. The tail is wagging the dog.

Proper leadership please.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2019, 12:46:49 PM »

Says a lot about our current crop that Bairstow, who gets bowled through the gate on a regular basis, and averages mid thirties after 69 tests, is one of Englands best batters.
We arent nearly as good as a lot of people seem to think and the sooner we accept that, the better.
So Wood not available due to injury and selected, with a. History of breakdown. Feels like we are back to the selection policy of the 90s.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2019, 06:18:24 PM »

Tests: 69
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Yes Im 100% with you. How on earth is the legendary Sir Jonathan Marc Bairstow not in the playing XI. With such incredible figures Im surprised hes not topping the ICC player rankings...

This.. these are not the stats of anyone deserving a recall or any form of indulgence
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2019, 06:21:17 PM »

Bairstow is one if the best batsmen England have got. Whether he has performing to his best is obviously a different question.

My issues with him are...
1. Stropping when not keeper. He isn't a patch on Foakes. He needs to accept that and say I will bat at three and fill that gap for England.

2. As the above, he should be working to adapt his technique to be able to bat at three. Not hiding at 5, 6 or 7.

All in all, he is an example of what is wrong with this team.

The leadership is trying to please people rather than doing what is right for the team. The tail is wagging the dog.

Proper leadership please.

If he is one of our best then England are in a terrible state.. hes played 69 tests !! And only avgs 35.. thats .. well... dire.. really really dire

And youre saying he should go 3!! Wow
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2019, 06:54:15 PM »

Tests: 69
Average: 35
100s: 6

Yes Im 100% with you. How on earth is the legendary Sir Jonathan Marc Bairstow not in the playing XI. With such incredible figures Im surprised hes not topping the ICC player rankings...

As a wicketkeeper - which is the role England have had him play - those stats would put him only behind Matt Prior in the modern English game, and Prior got to do his batting in much more favourable circumstances. 
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2019, 06:57:43 PM »

1. Stropping when not keeper. He isn't a patch on Foakes. He needs to accept that and say I will bat at three and fill that gap for England.


He's not.  Few are.  Though he could reasonably argue that he feels that as a keeper/bat package he offers more (not saying I agree with this view, though the England management clearly did)

It worries me that the view on here is that "he took a strop", despite the England squad - including Foakes - praising him for the way he handled his misfortune.  The "evidence" seems to be that he practised his keeping on the outfield mid test...I'm genuinely not sure what you would have him do?  He was the England keeper a game previously, and was in the squad in that role.  Should he have immediately hung up his gloves?
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2019, 07:16:06 PM »

Bairstow the white ball player is very different to Bairstow the test player. Hes had more than enough tests now for us to know hes not a top six BAtsmen. Added to that, as a keeper bat, hes inferior to foakes .. by that logic, if you assume buttler is the man in possession then Bairstow is quite simply surplus to requirements.

Id rather they played Crawley or other new lads than go back to these types of players who have had more than enough chances and have failed
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