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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1500 on: February 17, 2020, 10:36:02 AM »

Always thought Morgan was too high at 4. Much better as our finisher, so Malan at 4 makes more sense. Malan doesn't deserve any criticism for today, as had no game practice and under too much pressure to produce in a one off game.

No criticism of his batting giving his lack of game time but his running between the wickets was appalling yesterday. 
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1501 on: February 17, 2020, 11:39:40 AM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/51525403

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England captain Eoin Morgan says there needs to be a "considerable amount of time" before Alex Hales is considered for international selection again.

Hales, 31, has not played for England since being dropped from the 50-over World Cup squad last summer because of an "off-field incident".

Since then, Hales has starred in the Big Bash League - finishing as the tournament's second-highest run scorer.

"There was a breakdown in trust between Alex and the team," Morgan said.

"When he was deselected, it was never down to performance. He is one of the best players in the world.

"Moving forward, to regain that trust there needs to be a considerable amount of time."

Nottinghamshire batsman Hales, who the Guardian reported failed a recreational drugs test in 2019, scored 576 runs for Sydney Thunder in the Big Bash - Australia's T20 franchise tournament - including six half-centuries.

He was the first pick in last year's Caribbean Premier League draft and is one of the platinum selections in this year's Pakistan Super League, where he will play for Karachi Kings. He is also a 100,000 local icon for Trent Rockets in this summer's The Hundred.

However, Morgan, who was speaking to the Test Match Special podcast, said Hales was not considered for England's white-ball matches in South Africa, which ended in a Twenty20 series win for the tourists in Centurion on Sunday.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1502 on: February 17, 2020, 11:49:18 AM »

Morgan seems to be holding a grudge. I dont think well see Hales again until Morgan gives up the captaincy.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1503 on: February 17, 2020, 11:50:18 AM »

Hales won't play again whilst Morgan is skipper.
Which probably means he won't play again.

We also have a wealth of high quality top order sloggers

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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1504 on: February 17, 2020, 01:08:45 PM »

Is Morgan not just a puppet for the ECB

Surely selection is down to the selection panel and hes just passing on the message to the press
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1505 on: February 17, 2020, 01:24:59 PM »

Is Morgan not just a puppet for the ECB

Surely selection is down to the selection panel and he’s just passing on the message to the press

ummmm, not really, in my time watching Englnd Morgan is the most powerful skipper ive know, he took us from old style cricket(one day) to World Champions

I don't think myself any skipper in the last few years has come anywhere close, he has done a remarkable job for us, really no praise is too high from where im sitting
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1506 on: February 17, 2020, 01:42:29 PM »

ummmm, not really, in my time watching Englnd Morgan is the most powerful skipper ive know, he took us from old style cricket(one day) to World Champions

I don't think myself any skipper in the last few years has come anywhere close, he has done a remarkable job for us, really no praise is too high from where im sitting

I meant in terms of team selection - I agree with the above that hes a great captain on the field but he wont have much of a say in selection. So its a bit unfair to blame Morgan for keeping hales out.

Its down to the ECB, Morgan can only say what hes been told to say to the press on hales
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1507 on: February 17, 2020, 01:54:53 PM »

I meant in terms of team selection - I agree with the above that he’s a great captain on the field but he won’t have much of a say in selection. So it’s a bit unfair to blame Morgan for keeping hales out.

It’s down to the ECB, Morgan can only say what he’s been told to say to the press on hales

perhaps...its depends how much say the Captain has of course, that's always been a grey area.....

as far as the breakdown of trust goes we are back in the exact same situation with KP, same problem.

if you look a just Hales contribution yes he's a good player, does he get in the final 11? I don't think so myself.

it seemed when Hales was left out the whole team was consulted, and the decision of everyone was Hales is not worth it.

its a mighty tricky area this 'breakdown of trust' it opens up all sorts of cans of worms

ultimately I don't think England need Hales, how much of a say Morgan has is difficult to say- I would say a lot but you may be right
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1508 on: February 17, 2020, 03:57:23 PM »

Hales was told not to be a nit wit. he then was a nit wit and given a further chance...

he then was a nit again.

Morgan, as a captain, hands were tied. If he keeps him about he's weak on behavior and the culture he's built would be undermined. he boots him and people keep asking "when Hales coming back?" Neither is particularly pleasant but it's clear which one Morgan values.

Ultimately, if Morgan wanted Hales, he could get him back in. The ECB aren't going to stop their most successful one day captain picking the players he wants. Morgan places culture above ability. Hales broke the rules of the dressing role when he was on his final warning. Malan could be next if he gets to a final ball again and doesn't run.

however well Hales plays, he won't get picked without Morgans approval. The team has enough options and it sets a clear message to the rest of the group....

don't be a nit wit!
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #1509 on: February 17, 2020, 05:50:30 PM »

Hales was told not to be a nit wit. he then was a nit wit and given a further chance...

he then was a nit again.

Morgan, as a captain, hands were tied. If he keeps him about he's weak on behavior and the culture he's built would be undermined. he boots him and people keep asking "when Hales coming back?" Neither is particularly pleasant but it's clear which one Morgan values.

Ultimately, if Morgan wanted Hales, he could get him back in. The ECB aren't going to stop their most successful one day captain picking the players he wants. Morgan places culture above ability. Hales broke the rules of the dressing role when he was on his final warning. Malan could be next if he gets to a final ball again and doesn't run.

however well Hales plays, he won't get picked without Morgans approval. The team has enough options and it sets a clear message to the rest of the group....

don't be a nit wit!

this is very well summed up
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