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Jofra Archer - Discuss
« on: December 26, 2019, 04:05:15 PM »

Jofra is currently, to me, a bit of an enigma.

I thought he was mustard in the Ashes

I dismissed his dismal showing in the NZ series as due to the pitches not suiting him

So what happened in SA with a pitch that offers some help?

I want him to succeed, I really do - however, today's pitch looked really interesting to bowl on, and offered some help, yet he was poo. I know he;s ill, but he looked disinterested, lacklustre and frankly 'not bothered'. It all seemed a bit of a lark, and there were 1-2 four balls per over. Really, he could've set a marker for the series by sh*tting a few Saffer batters up, instead he probably played a few in.

What's the skinny here? Is he (as my seam-bowling club veteran chum says) basically a one-day bunny who is lazy in Tests?

Or does he really need a bit of mind and body coaching to bring out the best in him (and if so, why isn't he getting it?)

England may be about to balls up the hottest weapon they have had for years!
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2019, 04:34:23 PM »

Suffers a bit from Berbatov syndrome, where because everything looks so easy to him everyone presume it is and hes lazy etc.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2019, 04:54:50 PM »

My entirely un-professional opinion is that he is immensely talented and absolutely has the potential to be a star in all formats but whom an awful lot is being expected from because of his incredible Summer.

I consider the England bowling coaching to be, ahem, not as good as it perhaps could be. Troy Cooley or David Saker could do incredible things with Jof IMO. I believe the general consensus is that he is being mismanaged but that, like absolutely any International superstar, he has a lot of work to do to achieve what he is capable of and then remain there.

England must nurture his talent - that doesn't mean he shouldn't go and play some County/ Lions cricket if his form drops off - if England cannot make him a top 10 bowler within the next 5 years I'd say that says as much about the establishment as it does about him.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2019, 05:11:04 PM »

I don't think his demeanor helps, he may look disinterested but I'm not entirely sure he is. I think they fact he's so laid back helps but isn't a good look when it isn't going so well.

Needs using better and coaching to always perform near his best, if it doesn't go well set up to blame as much as player
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2019, 05:13:48 PM »

First up, lets nix the idea that he doesn't care about the long format.  I've seen him play for Sussex in four day cricket, and the lad was trying his nuts off. 

I think, personally, that there is an issue with how he has been used so far which is leaving him unsure what his role in the team is.  He seems to believe that he has to keep 25+ overs a day in the tank, so spends a lot of time bowling well within himself.   Now, if that is the role they want him to play, fine, but if so what is the purpose of a Woakes?  Or indeed a Broad?

It may be the general fitness of the team is in a bad place right now - Archer and Broad have just recovered from flu, Stokes is on one and a half legs and Anderson coming back at 37 from two serious injuries.  Perhaps conservative is the plan.  But in the longer term, Archer should be used for 4-5 quick spells a day, totalling no more than 20 overs and not giving batsman chance to settle against him.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2019, 06:07:02 PM »

Hes probably putting only 85% effort in, as he knows Root will probably ask him to bowl 30-35 overs a day. Any decent captain would keep his workload to a max of 15-20 in order to maximise his effectiveness.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2019, 08:11:47 PM »

IMO, he's been misused. Think it was one of the coaches at Sussex who said that Archer was best for them when he was bowling attacking lines and looking for seam and swing movement, not bowling bouncer after bouncer.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2019, 08:12:07 PM »

Hes probably putting only 85% effort in, as he knows Root will probably ask him to bowl 30-35 overs a day. Any decent captain would keep his workload to a max of 15-20 in order to maximise his effectiveness.

Well how f*cking stupid is that!!!!  24 overs a day max, take some wickets boi!!

Piss-poor captaincy and piss-poor coaching
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2019, 10:34:21 PM »

I think its two fold with archer, he needs miles in the legs to potent going into the third, fourth and fifth spells - therefore he needs to play more first class cricket. In the last few years hes not played that much red ball cricket. He played in pretty much all the big T20 tournaments.

Secondly the Dukes ball is easier for bowlers. Obviously we dont use the kookaburra unless we play in Australia, New Zealand or South Africa - but archer needs time to adapt to the kookaburra ball. You only have to look at Anderson whos rarely a factor with that ball.

Maybe the ECB should encourage archer to bypass the IPL   
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2019, 10:11:45 AM »

Watching yesterday we were of the opinion at home that in tests he looks like he doesn't know what he's supposed to be bowling. Should be an unreal bowler but you suspect being given a job to do with the ball would help him a lot. You could say that's been a problem with third seamers behind Jimmy and Broad for a long time mind...
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2019, 10:20:49 AM »

I just hope he's watching Rabada go at it today.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2019, 10:29:59 AM »

I dont really believe in all this talk about being mismanaged. What can a captain do if he pace spearhead is just not delivering. Its not like he has been asked to keep bowling bouncer after bouncer. To me, he lacks the patience and discipline needed in Test cricket. Persistence is really important when it comes to test match bowling. Pace is good but pace alone will not get you wickets in tests. With him, it just looks like he has no plan at all. He just runs in and bowls fast.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2019, 10:45:41 AM »

I don't necessarily agree - Root has bowled him in 6-7 over spells, when it should be flat out short sharp shock spells, so i don;t think he's been captained the best.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2019, 01:58:15 PM »

There have been some strange fields set to Archer in the past as well. Would like to see him bowling at the stumps more, give him the necessary protection for it.
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Re: Jofra Archer - Discuss
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2019, 03:13:38 PM »

Fors

He has pace like fire
His bouncer nips in which is nasty

Against
Isnt accurate
Hes being mismanaged
Hes not had enough red ball cricket to learn so is very raw


Overall. Hes worth developing because we have little options but this development should be happening well before test level really. Hes being mismanaged by root and the coaches currently. He hasnt produced anything of note outside his spells in the ashes and is looking over rated currently
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