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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2020, 12:42:23 PM »

He has a short run up and tries to bowl leg breaks.
He's therefore not a seam bowler or an off spinner

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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2020, 12:46:20 PM »

In my experience, in most club cricket, the non turning slow bowler is the leading wicket taker.

People give their wickets away to pie chuckers every single week.

So in answer to the opening question.

Make sure you can bowl a length and can vary your line and pace a little. Try to turn it, but playing on the batsmen's ego will get you plenty of wickets.
If it turns great. If not it is always fun to pretend it is ripping and dipping. A new batter won't know.
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2020, 12:52:03 PM »

I have been exactly there myself. Used to be a (left arm) medium pacer all through my childhood and school. During college, coach told me you're accurate and disciplined but just not fast enough to be threatening. So switch to finger spin. I did that. Here's the funny part though. It has been 12 years since then. And i can count on 1 hand the number of times i got one to spin away from a right handed batsman. For some reason it doesn't matter how many revs i try to put into it, it always skids on and sometimes even goes further in like a doosra. I get good drift too if the ball is in good shape. But mostly i find myself effectively because i try to keep it simple. Subtle changes in Angle of release, variation in flight and pace and reading the batsmen is how i outfox most of them.
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2020, 12:54:31 PM »

@SLA do you notice how every thread you contribute to ends up with you putting down everyones comments unless that happen to agree with you ( which seems to be very few and far between) and then what could have been a good topic of discussion and insight into others views ends up in the exact opposite. Now please just accept others views and contribute constructively or not at all.
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2020, 01:27:36 PM »

I did it and found it easy tbf
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2020, 01:52:01 PM »

@Vulcan Cricket I've never found any part of cricket very easy but glad there's hope yet!
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2020, 02:10:25 PM »

He has a short run up and tries to bowl leg breaks.
He's therefore not a seam bowler or an off spinner

So he tries to bowl legspin, but he fails? Or does he just not really try.

You're not making a very compelling case.
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2020, 02:11:45 PM »

So he tries to bowl legspin, but he fails? Or does he just not really try.

You're not making a very compelling case.

short run up and a leggy action, to me thats leg spinner whether it turns or not....
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2020, 02:12:55 PM »

@SLA do you notice how every thread you contribute to ends up with you putting down everyones comments unless that happen to agree with you ( which seems to be very few and far between) and then what could have been a good topic of discussion and insight into others views ends up in the exact opposite. Now please just accept others views and contribute constructively or not at all.

I notice that this website is extremely argumentative, yes. People are unwilling to listen carefully, and simply attempt to beat you to death with their often wildly misinformed opinions.

I'm a specialist spin-bowling coach, you would think that on the topic of spin bowling, people MIGHT be willing to hear me out before rubbishing everything I say because "some bloke in their club" does it differently. But no.
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2020, 02:19:42 PM »

In my experience, in most club cricket, the non turning slow bowler is the leading wicket taker.

People give their wickets away to pie chuckers every single week.

So in answer to the opening question.

Make sure you can bowl a length and can vary your line and pace a little. Try to turn it, but playing on the batsmen's ego will get you plenty of wickets.
If it turns great. If not it is always fun to pretend it is ripping and dipping. A new batter won't know.

Our leading club wicket taker is similar, although he would describe himself as "medium pace" (he bowls slower than the spinners)

Truth be told, he's the leading wicket taker by 20% because he's bowled the most overs by 50%. I expect this is the truth in most cases.

I've skippered him for several years, so I know when this type of bowling works and when it doesn't.

It tends to work when:

you're playing a very low standard, with very dodgy wickets, in longer-format games when batsmen get stuck in 2 minds.

It doesn't work: on flat pitches, against decent batsmen, or in T20s.


There's nothing wrong with bowling slow dobbers onto dodgy tracks. But don't confuse this with actual spin bowling.
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2020, 03:07:00 PM »

Our leading club wicket taker is similar, although he would describe himself as "medium pace" (he bowls slower than the spinners)

Truth be told, he's the leading wicket taker by 20% because he's bowled the most overs by 50%. I expect this is the truth in most cases.

I've skippered him for several years, so I know when this type of bowling works and when it doesn't.

It tends to work when:

you're playing a very low standard, with very dodgy wickets, in longer-format games when batsmen get stuck in 2 minds.

It doesn't work: on flat pitches, against decent batsmen, or in T20s.


There's nothing wrong with bowling slow dobbers onto dodgy tracks. But don't confuse this with actual spin bowling.

This is literally just semantics. You're claiming he doesn't bowl spin well and therefore isn't a spinner. Tell that to Michael yardy or Joe root. You'd think as a specialist spin bowling coach you'd recognise the value in someone bowling darts wicket to wicket with the threat of one turning as a variation especially in t20 cricket on a flat one.
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2020, 03:17:15 PM »

Not a particularly high level and no real aspiration to play at a higher level as I know my limitations as a cricketer!

If you can land 5 an over in a half decent area and have half a cricket brain youll go ok, and then build it up from there.
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2020, 03:22:10 PM »

I notice that this website is extremely argumentative, yes. People are unwilling to listen carefully, and simply attempt to beat you to death with their often wildly misinformed opinions.

I'm a specialist spin-bowling coach, you would think that on the topic of spin bowling, people MIGHT be willing to hear me out before rubbishing everything I say because "some bloke in their club" does it differently. But no.

Personally i think people would be willing to listen if as you put it on your own words you didn't beat people to death with your own wild opinions. Your approach is very direct and argumentative in my opinion and if you put this approach to your coaching i.  Would really struggle to buy into your approach. Now this is just my view and you seem very passionate about what you say but just seems you may want to tone it down buddy
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2020, 03:27:19 PM »

I notice that this website is extremely argumentative, yes. People are unwilling to listen carefully, and simply attempt to beat you to death with their often wildly misinformed opinions.

I'm a specialist spin-bowling coach, you would think that on the topic of spin bowling, people MIGHT be willing to hear me out before rubbishing everything I say because "some bloke in their club" does it differently. But no.

Have you thought maybe your combative posting style trying to shout down everyone else may be part of the issue? You say this website is extremely argumentative, but you're the one at the heart of most of the arguments!

As far as rubbishing everything you say who has actually done this? There has been some reasonable debate where people (myself included) have engaged in discussion where they have agreed with some aspects of your opinion, but shared a different viewpoint on other aspects (being a forum, this is exactly what a thread like this is for). You've then shot down the replies in an "I'm right because I'm a coach, you're wrong" manner.

Anyway, this is yet another thread that's gone wildly off course.

@Jimbo as someone who switched from medium pace to offies years go, if you need any help please feel free to PM me and I'm more than willing to help you out. It seems counter productive trying to reply to the thread now as answers get lost between the other back and forwards going on
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Re: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice?
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2020, 03:57:38 PM »

If possible, I would suggest if you are working on this over winter nets, trying to bowl in a lane without a batsman.  Nets are a pretty unforgiving place for spinners, with batsmen able to play shots without the consequence of getting out.  Generally speaking i don't think that nets are the best place for any bowler to develop a new skill, let alone a new type of bowling.
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