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Re: Phantom and Pryzm moved production from UK?
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2020, 02:29:34 AM »

Trust me, this isn't correct - the majority of quality indian suppliers are just as expensive, if not more expensive, than a fair few UK batmakers.
I would respectfully have to disagree. With the exception of those ridiculous sharpie bats, it is fairly easy to source indian made bats at a fraction of the price (atleast for me as i stay in the UAE, have indian friends who visit home often and not much taxes involved). Take RS for example. If the rumor is true and they are infact manufacturing for phantom, i know the owner of RS and their top of the range english willow bats can be purchased for approximately 200 quid (in whatever profile and weight i want on the cleft of my choice).
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2020, 06:03:39 AM »

I would respectfully have to disagree. With the exception of those ridiculous sharpie bats, it is fairly easy to source indian made bats at a fraction of the price (atleast for me as i stay in the UAE, have indian friends who visit home often and not much taxes involved). Take RS for example. If the rumor is true and they are infact manufacturing for phantom, i know the owner of RS and their top of the range english willow bats can be purchased for approximately 200 quid (in whatever profile and weight i want on the cleft of my choice).
I agree RS and BDM being exception. All the big brands like SS, New Balance, SG, BAS, DSC and Mrf are charging arm and a leg for their top bats. How much is SS gladiator or Ton Reserve Edition?
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2020, 06:18:31 AM »

I agree RS and BDM being exception. All the big brands like SS, New Balance, SG, BAS, DSC and Mrf are charging arm and a leg for their top bats. How much is SS gladiator or Ton Reserve Edition?

DSC top- end is ~500  :o

https://www.dsc-cricket.com/kumar-sangakkara-cricket-bat-sanga11.html
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2020, 06:21:36 AM »

DSC top- end is ~500  :o

https://www.dsc-cricket.com/kumar-sangakkara-cricket-bat-sanga11.html
Despite having cheaper labor. Only manufacturers putting more money in their own pockets. Unfortunately, cricket has become rich people sport.
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2020, 09:05:48 AM »

Also, there is a huge range of cheaper but good English willow bat models from these Indian manufacturers which are impossible to obtain in England. BDM is pretty well impossible to source in UK at the moment, for example, except occasionally at ridiculous high prices. Eclipse AS have stopped stocking them because of the high prices to retailers over here.
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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2020, 09:16:23 AM »

Also, there is a huge range of cheaper but good English willow bat models from these Indian manufacturers which are impossible to obtain in England. BDM is pretty well impossible to source in UK at the moment, for example, except occasionally at ridiculous high prices. Eclipse AS have stopped stocking them because of the high prices to retailers over here.
I am sure same goes for local UK brands. I have had some great Salix, B3s, hunts and Jedi bats for very reasonable price. My concern is why dont these brands change their pricing model based on where these bats are being made. Did phantom owner changed his prices after shifting his manufacturing to India?
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Re: Phantom and Pryzm moved production from UK?
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2020, 09:53:43 AM »

I would respectfully have to disagree. With the exception of those ridiculous sharpie bats, it is fairly easy to source indian made bats at a fraction of the price (atleast for me as i stay in the UAE, have indian friends who visit home often and not much taxes involved). Take RS for example. If the rumor is true and they are infact manufacturing for phantom, i know the owner of RS and their top of the range english willow bats can be purchased for approximately 200 quid (in whatever profile and weight i want on the cleft of my choice).

Is that because you know the owner? Sounds like your location and people you know allow you to get good deals.

Neon being a brand and looking to source as a business would probably, maybe, be in the best position to discuss the merits of uk vs India manufacturing prices for the uk market?

I have to say I have an SS that I never liked but used it at nets last week and suddenly it felt ok, nothing like my gm but felt ok!
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2020, 10:20:08 AM »

Is that because you know the owner? Sounds like your location and people you know allow you to get good deals.

Neon being a brand and looking to source as a business would probably, maybe, be in the best position to discuss the merits of uk vs India manufacturing prices for the uk market?

I have to say I have an SS that I never liked but used it at nets last week and suddenly it felt ok, nothing like my gm but felt ok!

RS is genuinely inexpensive compared to other Indian brands at really good quality
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Re: Phantom and Pryzm moved production from UK?
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2020, 10:37:19 AM »

Reason for RS,Anthem,BAS and maybe Sondi to be cheap is that you can visit factory yourself and pick your bat from scratch. There are so many less known/heard names that I haven't mentioned.
BDM don't make bats for any brand so they stand own their own with own price tags.
In my head, UK brands with bats made in India are still expensive due to taxes in UK. Shop rents,business rates import duties etc. There are many other things involved that rise cost and they have to make living out of it.
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Re: Phantom and Pryzm moved production from UK?
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2020, 10:50:41 AM »

RS is genuinely inexpensive compared to other Indian brands at really good quality

Fair enough! Amazed we don't see more of them!
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Re: Phantom and Pryzm moved production from UK?
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2020, 11:00:33 AM »

I guess its any stickering brands perogative but it is a little bait and switch when they start with one U.K. made brand, let that be know then switch to what is presumably a cheaper manufacturer.
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Re: Phantom and Pryzm moved production from UK?
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2020, 11:01:11 AM »

Is that because you know the owner? Sounds like your location and people you know allow you to get good deals.
Not at all. When i said i know him i meant the same way as i know Tai from Blank Bats. There are no middle men. I speak directly to them and get my bat sourced directly from them and i would say at the same price they offer to everyone else. I wish my last name was Kohli :D
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Re: Phantom and Pryzm moved production from UK?
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2020, 11:55:37 AM »

Never owned a phantom or pryzm bat.

But I dont understand why people are getting upset over 'same priced bat but manufactured cheaper'...

This happens daily to you in all forms of items you purchase. Businesses are always looking to be efficient and increase profit. The thing is CBF is nerd central for cricket so you hone in on this.

If you think you can get the same bat or quality elsewhere then you should exercise your right to do so. Think having a go at Phantom and Pryzm is unfair. Now on the hand if you are pointing it out to inform CBF members that they can get a bargain elsewhere...I think that is fair.

Just my 2 pence worth.
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Re: Phantom and Pryzm moved production from UK?
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2020, 12:03:19 PM »

Never owned a phantom or pryzm bat.

But I dont understand why people are getting upset over 'same priced bat but manufactured cheaper'...

This happens daily to you in all forms of items you purchase. Businesses are always looking to be efficient and increase profit. The thing is CBF is nerd central for cricket so you hone in on this.

If you think you can get the same bat or quality elsewhere then you should exercise your right to do so. Think having a go at Phantom and Pryzm is unfair. Now on the hand if you are pointing it out to inform CBF members that they can get a bargain elsewhere...I think that is fair.

Just my 2 pence worth.
You're absolutely right. And tbf im not having a go at Pryzm. As pointed out by Matt above, Pryzm still do UK manufactured ones and the indian mades are significantly cheaper. More importantly they're forward about it. Phantom however have been riding the "made locally at Sussex" wagon to get their credentials up so i am absolutely having a go at them. They aren't that well known to justify becoming a sticker brand that source from india and stick to those ridiculous prices.
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Re: Phantom and Pryzm moved production from UK?
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2020, 12:48:31 PM »

Well spotted, these MSD Luxe bats are indeed Indian made (and some Instinct bats in the sale) - however I can confirm that our main range of bats will be made by our usual batmaker (I'm sure most know who that is) in the UK. We had a sample order of bats in from a very well known Indian bat maker to see what the quality is like - and they are really good. One of the Worcestershire pros who we've just agreed to sponsor is currently using a couple of the Indian made Instinct shape bats and I've had really good feedback from him.
RNS? Their grips are like that
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