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Re: Yet another England selection thread... SRI LANKA 2020
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2020, 12:21:56 PM »

I cant believe Jennings is seriously being considered as a viable option. I dont care if he scored a couple of tons in the sub continent a few years back. He averaged 30 in Div 2 last season, which is not the form that warrants a recall.

Some may argue that his average isnt too dissimilar to that of Crawley, but Crawley hasnt tried and failed at test cricket twice already. Hes also shown that he can learn, and alter his technique to play against better bowlers. As far as I can see, Jennings went away and did absolutely nothing to iron out those obvious flaws in his technique. Its just a lazy selection from Ed Genius Smith, again.
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Re: Yet another England selection thread... SRI LANKA 2020
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2020, 12:28:30 PM »

I cant believe Jennings is seriously being considered as a viable option. I dont care if he scored a couple of tons in the sub continent a few years back. He averaged 30 in Div 2 last season, which is not the form that warrants a recall.

Some may argue that his average isnt too dissimilar to that of Crawley, but Crawley hasnt tried and failed at test cricket twice already. Hes also shown that he can learn, and alter his technique to play against better bowlers. As far as I can see, Jennings went away and did absolutely nothing to iron out those obvious flaws in his technique. Its just a lazy selection from Ed Genius Smith, again.

Umm... So why is Bairstow suddenly in line to play again ???  He's being spouted on the back of some purple patch form in 2015-16.. nothing since or before.. AND.. on the back of a dodgy technique that anyone sensible can see isn't upto red ball cricket.. AND... just because he happened to luck out and score a 100 in SL last time... Yet, suddenly it's bizzare to call up Jennings who is reported to actually be good vs spin.

I don't want Jennings BUT I would take him over Bairstow/Buttler any day of the week in Asian conditions!
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Re: Yet another England selection thread... SRI LANKA 2020
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2020, 12:41:50 PM »

Ed "Maverick Genius" Smifff probably looked at Bairstow's IPL stats from last season. (It "worked" picking Buttler for the test side on white ball form, after all...)

"445 runs at 55 in the IPL last year. Two 50s and a 100, best get him in the Test side in Sri Lanka!"
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Re: Yet another England selection thread... SRI LANKA 2020
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2020, 01:00:24 PM »

Umm... So why is Bairstow suddenly in line to play again ???  He's being spouted on the back of some purple patch form in 2015-16.. nothing since or before.. AND.. on the back of a dodgy technique that anyone sensible can see isn't upto red ball cricket.. AND... just because he happened to luck out and score a 100 in SL last time... Yet, suddenly it's bizzare to call up Jennings who is reported to actually be good vs spin.

I don't want Jennings BUT I would take him over Bairstow/Buttler any day of the week in Asian conditions!

I dont want Bairstow anywhere near the test side either. Bairstow is suddenly in line to play again because Ed Genius Smith says so, and thats about it.
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Re: Yet another England selection thread... SRI LANKA 2020
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2020, 01:18:21 PM »

Bairstow should have to go away and earn his spot back. His form has been awful and he has consistently failed to live up to his obvious ability. It's not fair on him or the team to parachute him back in and expect anything other than more failures.
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Re: Yet another England selection thread... SRI LANKA 2020
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2020, 01:21:37 PM »

Bairstow should have to go away and earn his spot back. His form has been awful and he has consistently failed to live up to his obvious ability. It's not fair on him or the team to parachute him back in and expect anything other than more failures.


He wont' always fail.. He will have the odd innings where it comes together (as all players do). However, his avg is 35 for a reason.. More failures than you should put up with in a test match batsmen.
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Re: Yet another England selection thread... SRI LANKA 2020
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2020, 01:27:19 PM »


He wont' always fail.. He will have the odd innings where it comes together (as all players do). However, his avg is 35 for a reason.. More failures than you should put up with in a test match batsmen.

Its worth noting that his only productive period as a test batsman was prior to him becoming established in the white ball teams.

It doesn't seem to me to be rocket science to figure out what's happened - he's adjusted his technique to be looser and more free flowing to enable him to score more quickly in white ball cricket, and this has exposed flaws in his red ball defensive game.

He's never going to be a competent test batsman again unless he gives up the white ball stuff.

and, tbh, I'd rather he didn't. He's clearly an incredible white ball player, whereas he's never going to be anything more than an average red ball batsman, so he should just stick to that.

Same applies to Buttler, Roy, Banton, Hales etc. Just stick to what you're good at - trying to do too many things just makes you crap at everything.
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Re: Yet another England selection thread... SRI LANKA 2020
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2020, 02:20:59 PM »

Its worth noting that his only productive period as a test batsman was prior to him becoming established in the white ball teams.

It doesn't seem to me to be rocket science to figure out what's happened - he's adjusted his technique to be looser and more free flowing to enable him to score more quickly in white ball cricket, and this has exposed flaws in his red ball defensive game.

He's never going to be a competent test batsman again unless he gives up the white ball stuff.

and, tbh, I'd rather he didn't. He's clearly an incredible white ball player, whereas he's never going to be anything more than an average red ball batsman, so he should just stick to that.

Same applies to Buttler, Roy, Banton, Hales etc. Just stick to what you're good at - trying to do too many things just makes you crap at everything.

100% Agree.. There really is nothing wrong with being a White ball player.. Just don't pretend to be a Red ball player too.. Stick to the 2020 circuit
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Re: Yet another England selection thread... SRI LANKA 2020
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2020, 02:50:16 PM »

100% Agree.. There really is nothing wrong with being a White ball player.. Just don't pretend to be a Red ball player too.. Stick to the 2020 circuit

I find it strange that the idea of specialisation in cricket isn't more widely accepted. You wouldn't see a top rugby 7s player told that he needed to change his skillset to try and play 15s, for example. If someone is a brilliant T20 player, let them focus on being brilliant at that.
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Re: Yet another England selection thread... SRI LANKA 2020
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2020, 02:54:23 PM »

Its worth noting that his only productive period as a test batsman was prior to him becoming established in the white ball teams.

It doesn't seem to me to be rocket science to figure out what's happened - he's adjusted his technique to be looser and more free flowing to enable him to score more quickly in white ball cricket, and this has exposed flaws in his red ball defensive game.

He's never going to be a competent test batsman again unless he gives up the white ball stuff.

and, tbh, I'd rather he didn't. He's clearly an incredible white ball player, whereas he's never going to be anything more than an average red ball batsman, so he should just stick to that.

Same applies to Buttler, Roy, Banton, Hales etc. Just stick to what you're good at - trying to do too many things just makes you crap at everything.

Out of all those names you mention, I actually think Banton might have the necessary skills to thrive in test cricket if he wants to, and is given a chance. Hes a proper batsman with a really solid technique.
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Re: Yet another England selection thread... SRI LANKA 2020
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2020, 03:00:14 PM »

Out of all those names you mention, I actually think Banton might have the necessary skills to thrive in test cricket if he wants to, and is given a chance. Hes a proper batsman with a really solid technique.

You don't 'give him a chance'.. He needs to play FC cricket and score the runs to warrant selection. He's not managed it so far but it is early. He seems to prefer the White Ball formats sadly
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Re: Yet another England selection thread... SRI LANKA 2020
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2020, 03:04:00 PM »

You don't 'give him a chance'.. He needs to play FC cricket and score the runs to warrant selection. He's not managed it so far but it is early. He seems to prefer the White Ball formats sadly

Obviously I meant given a chance to mean being selected, not just thrown in at the deep end with no red ball scores to back it up. I shall try to explain my comments better next time.
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Re: Yet another England selection thread... SRI LANKA 2020
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2020, 03:27:17 PM »

So, there are lots of people saying Sibley is not great against spin - and to be fair, this may be true.  But he has shown a lot in six tests thus far and we shouldn't write him off for 40% of overseas tours at this stage.  Having initially been less than convinced by Crawley, I am now moving round to the opinion that he might be worth an extended look too.

Which actually make my squad pretty straightforward.  It looks like this:

Sibley
Crawley
Denly
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Curran
Bess
Leach
Wood

Bairstow
Virdi/Dawson
Jamie Overton
Woakes
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Re: Yet another England selection thread... SRI LANKA 2020
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2020, 03:52:35 PM »

SL currently getting battered by the mighty Zimbabwe....  The SL vs Eng tour really is going to be one sided and low grade cricket.
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Re: Yet another England selection thread... SRI LANKA 2020
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2020, 04:08:35 PM »

They should give Stokes a rest. Let Curran try to be the all rounder the pundits think he can be.
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