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Re: Could this be the most overpriced G3/G4 ever?
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2020, 11:13:33 PM »

For 500 I'd expect to be absolutely blown away by both the looks and the performance. Unless this bat is going to turn me into Virat Kohli then that's a ludicrous price tag.


This was a good discussion, check it out if you haven't.

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=47028.msg754971#msg754971
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Re: Could this be the most overpriced G3/G4 ever?
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2020, 12:33:44 AM »

It's 24 years since I bought my first SH bat.  That was a G3 but had more grains than I can accurately count.  No doubt in that time the standard required to be classed as a G1 by most bat makers has been downgraded whilst the cost of buying these bats has risen well above the rate of inflation. 

Of all the manufacturers, G&M is the one that stands out for me as grading fairly still. 
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Re: Could this be the most overpriced G3/G4 ever?
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2020, 07:24:39 AM »

Why is it a G3/4?

Because thats what it is according to he merchant from whom they get there willow.

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Re: Could this be the most overpriced G3/G4 ever?
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2020, 07:35:33 AM »

Interesting that a butterfly stain is moved into g3 willow these days.
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Re: Could this be the most overpriced G3/G4 ever?
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2020, 07:42:59 AM »

Interesting that a butterfly stain is moved into g3 willow these days.

Wrights actually state they put they top 2% of butterfly willow into G2 now.

Grading has certainly changed over the past few years but my view has always been you have G1, G2 etc I dont see how all of a sudden this Pro Grade or 1++ etc came about, except for some some brands now split the G1 into excellent looking G1 and standard G1. This example that I posted from M&H really gets my back up a bit like another brand that argues that it grades on performance as I can only assume thats why they are trying to charge 500 for it.  There is no grading on performance and like another brand that does even have grades its just here is a model and the price is Xx some look stunning and others far from it but all the same price
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Re: Could this be the most overpriced G3/G4 ever?
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2020, 08:05:02 AM »

Am I looking at the same bat as everyone else?

I count 6 grains and whilst not being ruler straight, they run the length of the bat and not at an angle. Grading it as a G3/4 is rather harsh, G2 is probably about right.
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Re: Could this be the most overpriced G3/G4 ever?
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2020, 08:08:27 AM »

Question is still there, would you pay 500 for this day or not? 🙂
Will any of the cbf member pay this amount for this bat? My guess is a No
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Re: Could this be the most overpriced G3/G4 ever?
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2020, 08:36:44 AM »

Of course it's overpriced, it's a 500 cricket bat. It's not G3/4 though is it, it's pretty much textbook 2 if you want to go by the Wright's system. Looks a much cleaner piece of wood than that Keeley 'grade 1' someone posted recently, and they're 470rrp.

Quote from: JS Wright
Please note that these descriptions are for rough sawn willow clefts / blades and NOT finished bats.  Generally you will find less grains in finished bats as we saw the blades wider than the finished bat and therefore some grains are removed during processing.
A Grade 2 blade is also very good quality and normally a larger amount of red wood can be seen on the edge of a blade, this has no effect on the playing ability of the bat it is purely cosmetic. Again there will be at least 6 straight grains on the face of the blade with maybe some blemishes, pin knots or speck visible, we also put the top 2% of the excellent quality butterfly blades that we get into Grade 2.
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Re: Could this be the most overpriced G3/G4 ever?
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2020, 08:41:44 AM »

Put it another way.

If you went down to East Sussex and asked one of the bat makers there to pull out the best playing cleft and ended up with that for 500. Would you be happy?
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Re: Could this be the most overpriced G3/G4 ever?
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2020, 08:50:09 AM »

Am I looking at the same bat as everyone else?

I count 6 grains and whilst not being ruler straight, they run the length of the bat and not at an angle. Grading it as a G3/4 is rather harsh, G2 is probably about right.

I would say it falls much more into the G3 than G2 but either way its not a top end piece of willow that should be 500.
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Re: Could this be the most overpriced G3/G4 ever?
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2020, 08:57:18 AM »

I would say it falls much more into the G3 than G2 but either way its not a top end piece of willow that should be 500.

At no point are they mentioning the grade of willow though. They are selling the bat based upon 'superb playing qualities'.
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Re: Could this be the most overpriced G3/G4 ever?
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2020, 09:59:07 AM »

At no point are they mentioning the grade of willow though. They are selling the bat based upon 'superb playing qualities'.

I know mate and thats what annoys me more. As I said the old graded on performance rubbish is just a load of b******* this is just my opinion at the end of the day but like another company I just dont understand why people would spend 500 or 400 on 4/5 grain bats that ping when you can get the same for 110
Here is an example that I would say is the same as the M&H but cost 108. This is 5/6 wavey grains? Specks and a water mark on the outside edge and as so is graded as a G5. However this pings as well as any 400/500 bat



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Re: Could this be the most overpriced G3/G4 ever?
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2020, 11:14:56 AM »

That's fine and I don't really disagree with you.  There will be people who have the time, patience and ability to wade through all the lower grade bats and pick out the odd hidden gem/performer.

Then there will also be people who either can't, don't have time to, or just enjoy the cachet in having the bat maker declare the bat as prestigious example; and will pay accordingly for it.  As a business, why not cater for them. Especially in todays internet shopping era.

r.e your example - It's hard to say with the fibre sheet on it but to my eye the willow looks bleached?
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Re: Could this be the most overpriced G3/G4 ever?
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2020, 12:03:33 PM »

For 500 Id expect grains like this

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7-Z4vTjTar/?hl=en
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Re: Could this be the most overpriced G3/G4 ever?
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2020, 01:00:42 PM »

Ive been refurbing a size 5 G1 M&H for one of the juniors. Would hate to guess the original cost, its definitely not a grade one though, looks wise ita poor
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