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Re: Unweighting/deweighting the bat
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2020, 09:07:06 AM »

Here's some really early 1905 film. https://youtu.be/ChrFcjLJymU
All the batsmen shown get their bat up really high before the shot, although it's more about arms than wrists. Look at the final pull shot in the sequence though. That looks like deweighting to me?
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Re: Unweighting/deweighting the bat
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2020, 12:35:52 PM »

Had a look at some old footage. I couldn't really see that Don Bradman was deweighting, unless you mean he just builds in a wrist cock into his back swing. The only other player I found was Derek Randall in the 1970s, see e.g. https://youtu.be/L-6CXbP7Z2w
first dismissal, but it's a bad shot that gets an edge. Mike Brearley does it for some shots but on others he swings the bat back down again below horizontal before his backswing.

Perhaps most interestingly, if you go back to really early footage, pre 1920s, then most batsmen do seem to deweight, or at least they take an upright stance with the bat held above horizontal.

Bradman did.. it refers to the wrist cock in the backswing, not the starting position. I think key is not how high the bat is held in setup, but how vertical it gets during the backswing.
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Re: Unweighting/deweighting the bat
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2020, 02:09:24 PM »

I was interested in this but @Buzz pointed out to me I already do this. Haha
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Re: Unweighting/deweighting the bat
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2020, 02:14:35 PM »

This discussion has gone to hell with one conjecture after another...

This coach explains how to unweight the bat correctly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1vXIb0jVeY&feature=youtu.be&t=359
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Re: Unweighting/deweighting the bat
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2020, 02:41:23 PM »

Yes probably but the coaching video makes prefect sense. Looking at some more Bradman slowmo footage, I can see that he did do it.
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Re: Unweighting/deweighting the bat
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2020, 03:08:01 PM »

This discussion has gone to hell with one conjecture after another...

This coach explains how to unweight the bat correctly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1vXIb0jVeY&feature=youtu.be&t=359

As I have said previously, Gio is a brilliant coach and I can't recommend his coaching and YouTube channel high enough.
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Re: Unweighting/deweighting the bat
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2020, 03:12:26 PM »

As I have said previously, Gio is a brilliant coach and I can't recommend his coaching and YouTube channel high enough.

Seconded. Done some work with him over the winter (remotely) and hes turned me from the disaster I was last season into someone that can bat again.
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Re: Unweighting/deweighting the bat
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2020, 03:43:49 PM »

Sorry to hijack a thread...

Can you tell me more about Gio - my club are interested in working with him also remotely in the build up to the season. Could you give me some more information on how it worked etc. Private message is fine instead of clogging up the thread  :)
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Re: Unweighting/deweighting the bat
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2020, 04:15:27 PM »

As I have said previously, Gio is a brilliant coach and I can't recommend his coaching and YouTube channel high enough.

Very good content ...I just wish he had more videos available.
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Re: Unweighting/deweighting the bat
« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2020, 09:32:37 PM »

This on Dan Lawrence, sad that the coach in question isn't named...

Technical tweaks the trigger for Lawrence's stellar Lions form http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28836089/technical-tweaks-trigger-dan-lawrence-stellar-england-lions-form via ESPNCricinfo app http://es.pn/ciapp
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Re: Unweighting/deweighting the bat
« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2020, 09:52:26 PM »

Stay still and watch the ball. They make it sound so simple 😅
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Re: Unweighting/deweighting the bat
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2020, 04:15:07 PM »

This on Dan Lawrence, sad that the coach in question isn't named...

Technical tweaks the trigger for Lawrence's stellar Lions form http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28836089/technical-tweaks-trigger-dan-lawrence-stellar-england-lions-form via ESPNCricinfo app http://es.pn/ciapp


Would be nice to  get something like this on Marnus Labuschagne. What did his county coach change? How did Marnus became Marnus that we know today? Haircut - resulting in few oz lighter stride? What?!!!
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Re: Unweighting/deweighting the bat
« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2020, 04:41:55 PM »

Another century by Labuschagne!
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Re: Unweighting/deweighting the bat
« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2020, 06:46:49 PM »

Unweighting seems like an interesting concept, and it's something I'm going to try out to see if I can get some good results with it however it doesn't seem fully clear as to what it actually is. Labuschange seems to be given as an example, but his batting is very different to the way that the cricket academy bloke shows...

As for his video where he analyses Australia's and England's batting averages in tests compared to ODI's, and somehow suggests it's due to England not "deweighting" enough, that seems like an incredibly stretched logic that I don't get. After all he constantly bangs on about improved bat speed which is surely more of an advantage in ODI's, where England have really excelled?
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Re: Unweighting/deweighting the bat
« Reply #44 on: March 07, 2020, 07:20:59 PM »

Would be nice to  get something like this on Marnus Labuschagne. What did his county coach change? How did Marnus became Marnus that we know today? Haircut - resulting in few oz lighter stride? What?!!!

Interesting question about Labushagne. I've had a look through some old footage and noticed some key differences in his technique. I've taken these images from a 2016 game between QLD vs SA. A few things to note about his 'old' technique; his trigger movement and his backlift. His trigger movement was causing his front foot to land in front on his back leg, this was cutting off his leg-side scoring options and probably got him in trouble with LBW. His backlift was also a lot lower than it is now, he would only unweight his bat around the time the ball pitched. This was especially the case against spin where he would keep his bat grounded almost to the point of the ball being released.

Before

Example 1 (Pace) - Pre-trigger / Post-trigger


Example 2 (Pace) - Pre-trigger / Post-trigger


Example 3 (Spin) - Pre-trigger / Post-trigger (Not really a 'trigger' per se)


After

Now let's compare this against footage of his breakout Aussie summer. He completely opened up his stance and increased his backlift.

Example 1 (Pace) - Pre-trigger / Post-trigger


Example 2 (Pace) - Pre-trigger / Post-trigger


Example 3 (Pace) - Pre-trigger / Post-trigger


Example 4 (Spin)


The main takeaway is these two images, quite the difference!





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