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Re: Phantom pro bat...
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2020, 08:04:38 AM »

Lovely looking bat, nice profile, and made by someone who knows what they are doing
Decent weight too
Ive paid more in the past for bats not as nice as that
Im sure it plays as good as it looks
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Re: Phantom pro bat...
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2020, 08:09:58 AM »

On a positive note, if you go FKW, Phantoms sifts have always been amongst the very best, albeit with a price tag to match.
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Re: Phantom pro bat...
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2020, 08:29:18 AM »

6 months ago if someone had written 'V.Kholi' on the bottom of that in sharpie and left the stickers off, people would have been all over it. Clean grains, nice profile, light weight. Hope it goes well for you mate.
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Re: Phantom pro bat...
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2020, 08:44:19 AM »

Theres a lot of post bashing on the forum of late...

Looks a decent bat, was tempted myself if I hadnt already sorted my match bat this season. Incidentally from Cowboy @Canners haha
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Re: Phantom pro bat...
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2020, 08:50:25 AM »

Theres a lot of post bashing on the forum of late...

Looks a decent bat, was tempted myself if I hadnt already sorted my match bat this season. Incidentally from Cowboy @Canners haha

I did warn you that bat was going to better than all your bats 🤣
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Re: Phantom pro bat...
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2020, 08:51:27 AM »

That phantom looks lovely BTw
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Re: Phantom pro bat...
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2020, 09:41:35 AM »

I have no personal vendetta against phantom. They were TK made and fairly reasonably priced not too long ago. But since they increased their prices and outsourced manufacturing to RS in india (who can post any of their top of the range bats worldwide for USD250 plus postage) i have disregarded phantom as just another insignificant sticker brand that nobody cares about. I would much rather go with Blank bats who are still TK made and very reasonably priced

This is a daft argument although I get where you are coming from.

Outsourced? Um... they already were since they are a sticker brand.

RS bats for 250USD? Someone needs to buy a top of the line RS and get it shipped to the UK paying all taxes and handling fees and I would guess the total cost is way off what you say (new taxes in India in the past few years have hit manufacturers quite hard too). We are talking about bat prices to the UK not to where you are and there is a major difference. How much to you think a Keeley is direct from source with the right connections? It isn't as though a Keeley made Phantom makes them a tenner and now they are rolling in money with Indian made bats. There isn't as much of a difference as you would think.

edit: I would also add that while it is banded about that Phantom are RS made I'm not convinced that all of them are

Insignificant sticker brand and rather go with Blank bats? BB have a lot of good things going for them but you have to remember they are just a sticker brand too.

I don't like this perception that Indian made bats should cost nothing for the top end and are vastly inferior anyway- neither are true from the right source. You pay the money to get the right lunmp of wood that makes you happy. Where it has come from and the mystical BS that goes with it don't add runs

All of this is a really long winded way of saying lovely looking bat OP, enjoy it and welcome to the forum  :)
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Re: Phantom pro bat...
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2020, 11:01:15 AM »

Their gear is on the pricey side but their softs particularly are of a very high standard.

I met the owner a couple of years ago as i live in W Sussex and went to the warehouse in Three Bridges and he couldn`t have been more charming,but all subjective,i guess
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Re: Phantom pro bat...
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2020, 11:03:22 AM »

... i have disregarded phantom as just another insignificant sticker brand that nobody cares about...

A bit harsh... they have very nice branding, good looking softs (not used them myself)...

The only thing is if they are leading people on that their bats are UK manufactured (I have no proof if they are leading people on or not) ... other than that I really don't get what issue people have with them. They are no different to many other brands out there.

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Re: Phantom pro bat...
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2020, 03:16:46 PM »

I stand corrected. I meant to say "I don't care about". And the price i quoted is absolutely true and quoted to me by the owner of RS i.e. INR 17500 plus whatever the postage is to whichever part of the world for the top of the range bat in any weight and profile i want. Its shocking yes but it is what it is. And i dont know the math of what shipping and import charges are from india to UK so maybe someone can help me out with that. And by no means in my opinion are indian made bats any inferior to UK made ones infact the 90 quid RS butterfly has replaced the 250 quid BB as my main match bat this season and i just scored a brutal 143 off 65 with it last night. All im saying is im now the kind who looks at the willow not the stickers. If someone told me that i would have to pay 450 quid for an RS made phantom i would rather take my chances and get in touch with RS directly and have them give me their bespoke custom bat experience where i choose my cleft, profile and weight. BB is also a sticker brand yes. But i didnt decide to buy BB because of their stickers (or lack there of), i researched on UK made bats and wanted a TK bat and found them to be very reasonably priced. I hope y'all get where im coming from.
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Re: Phantom pro bat...
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2020, 03:20:43 PM »

You need to remember some of the brands mentioned in the topic are VAT registered and some arent which can add 20% to the overall cost of a bat for a UK based company.

I dont think Dan was questioning the cost of an RS bat at 250 GBP more the fact once you add shipping, import tax/duty onto that you're probably going to be over 300 anyway.

Having originally sourced my bats from TK (and helped a few people obtain Tim's phone number in order for them to set-up their brand) I decided to go elsewhere when i knew I needed a point of difference to the brands that didnt sell equipment to rely on the margins to pay overheads and werent VAT registered and therefore could undercut my pricing for a product that came from the same source.
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Re: Phantom pro bat...
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2020, 03:36:44 PM »

You need to remember some of the brands mentioned in the topic are VAT registered and some arent which cant add 20% to the overall cost of a bat for a UK based company.

Could you explain exactly what it means to be VAT registered, and why some companies aren't? I've heard the term used a fair bit recently but have no idea what it means!
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Re: Phantom pro bat...
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2020, 03:40:19 PM »

My issue with many these brands, is they all build their name not as a quality brand or manufacturer but by simply piggybacking on the name of a batmaker. If that batmaker makes for other brands (like Tim Keeley), then you can only expect to be undercut.

It's so easy to undercut in the cricket world as it's easy to launch a brand as a hobby sticking a few stickers on some bats, making a nice, but small, 50 margin. Now when you're expecting the brand to be a full-time job, 50 profit selling a couple of hundred bats is not even going to cover the cost of an office.

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Re: Phantom pro bat...
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2020, 03:49:41 PM »

Could you explain exactly what it means to be VAT registered, and why some companies aren't? I've heard the term used a fair bit recently but have no idea what it means!
Tim Keeley buys willow from JS Wrights for 50.00 a cleft, with a VAT of 10.00, paying a total of 60.00. JS Wright send the 10.00 of VAT to HMRC (aka the Government).

Tim then sells his blank bats to a cricket brand for 100.00, plus a VAT of 20.00, for a total of 120.00. As, Tim already paid 10.00 of VAT in the initial transaction, he only pays the other 10 of VAT at this stage to HMRC.

The cricket brand charges a final consumer 300.00 for the bats, of which 50.00 of this is VAT to HMRC. However, since HMRC has already collected 20 of VAT at the previous production stages, the retailer only sends 30 in VAT.

So the final VAT of 50.00 has been received in parts, at different stages of the value-adding process. In short this means a none-VAT registered business can charge a slightly lower price. From the example above a VAT registered business walks away with 270 in cash. Whereas a none-VAT registered would walk away with 300 cash.
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Re: Phantom pro bat...
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2020, 03:51:51 PM »

Nice looking bat. Welcome to the forum.
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