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amateur attempt at judging 'ping'
« on: February 29, 2020, 03:47:11 PM »

After picking up a new (used) bat from Churchy (thank you) and contemplating trying to sell a couple I use less often I decided to give all of my bats a whack with the mallet in an attempt to judge if any has a better ping than another.

My conclusion is that whilst the size of the middle definitely varies from bat to bat, the actual mallet response feels more or less identical when striking the sweet spot.

I fully admit I am inexperienced when judging 'ping' but i'm surprised by the results - especially as I have a gut feel some bats seem to hit the ball further than others.

The 6 bats in question are really quite different from one another in terms of profile and design. If I get a minute I will try to post a pic of the 6.

I would be interested to hear if others have different experiences when assessing the ping of their collection.
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Re: amateur attempt at judging 'ping'
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2020, 04:19:53 PM »

I most often test ping based on the response of the blade to an old ball.
The mallet for some reason does not give me the confidence in checking the strength of the bat.
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Re: amateur attempt at judging 'ping'
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2020, 04:26:34 PM »

I would back the old ball as a better test of responsiveness. If the bat isn't pinging then you'll know it with a ball.
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Re: amateur attempt at judging 'ping'
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2020, 05:17:34 PM »

The old ball for me too. 
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Re: amateur attempt at judging 'ping'
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2020, 05:20:51 PM »

I go by the sound more than anything with the mallet. If its a ball, it has to be a decent quality ball, and it needs to have seen a fair bit of use. Ive got a Kookaburra pink ball that Ive used to bowl my SLA filth with at nets, and it seems to have turned in to the perfect ball to judge the quality of bats with. Thats its sole job from now on.
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Re: amateur attempt at judging 'ping'
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2020, 11:29:32 AM »

I go by the sound more than anything with the mallet. If its a ball, it has to be a decent quality ball, and it needs to have seen a fair bit of use. Ive got a Kookaburra pink ball that Ive used to bowl my SLA filth with at nets, and it seems to have turned in to the perfect ball to judge the quality of bats with. Thats its sole job from now on.

New levels of bat badgering if you end up with a ball exclusively reserved for judging the ping on bats....

Hats off to you sir.
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Re: amateur attempt at judging 'ping'
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2020, 11:40:08 AM »

Doesn't everyone have one? Only way you can tell is by using the same ball...

In fact the ball I leave in the cupboard for bat tapping is probably the best one I have  :D
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Re: amateur attempt at judging 'ping'
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2020, 12:14:11 PM »

I use a white Kookaburra, everything feels more pingy then!
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Re: amateur attempt at judging 'ping'
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2020, 02:38:25 PM »

In my experience, mallet response (rebound off the bat face) is a decent indicator of ping but not enough.

Sound of a ball on a bat is not the best indicator of ping. Bats that are pressed hard usually have a hard sound which could be off putting to some. My best bats have delaminated surface and they have a bass-y sound even though balls bounce quite high. I like to use ear-plugs when bouncing a ball on bat surface. Without sound, you can just see the ball's rebound.

Another thing I look for is how fast ball is rebounding off the bat face. It is not enough that ball bounces high off the face but how quickly it shoots up from the bat surface. When I compare my heavily used match bats to newer bats, the speed of rebound off the face is considerably faster in older/used bats than newer bats.
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Re: amateur attempt at judging 'ping'
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2020, 03:10:22 PM »

I really do enjoy bullshit that comes from certain forum members at times  :D
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Re: amateur attempt at judging 'ping'
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2020, 03:31:32 PM »

I really do enjoy bullshit that comes from certain forum members at times  :D

But I've ALWAYS enjoyed yours. Where've you been?  :D
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Re: amateur attempt at judging 'ping'
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2020, 04:29:45 PM »

Another thing I look for is how fast ball is rebounding off the bat face. It is not enough that ball bounces high off the face but how quickly it shoots up from the bat surface. When I compare my heavily used match bats to newer bats, the speed of rebound off the face is considerably faster in older/used bats than newer bats.
Er... you do realise that how high the ball bounces is a function of how fast it rebounds?
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Re: amateur attempt at judging 'ping'
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2020, 05:29:06 PM »

Er... you do realise that how high the ball bounces is a function of how fast it rebounds?

Personally I grade bats based on their ability to break the laws of physics.
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Re: amateur attempt at judging 'ping'
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2020, 05:40:10 PM »

Er... you do realise that how high the ball bounces is a function of how fast it rebounds?

Er...not necessarily.

Do an experiment since you are a bat maker. Take a lighter, a heavier bat, and a bat with a terrific ping. Bounce the same ball on all three bats. Records using an iPhone on a tripod. Irrespective of the same height, the best pinging bat will rebound the ball faster. Do it.
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Re: amateur attempt at judging 'ping'
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2020, 05:40:51 PM »

Personally I grade bats based on their ability to break the laws of physics.

Makes sense. I have read your views on coaching.
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