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Re: Is there such a thing in netting too much?
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2020, 09:06:36 AM »

It depends what your goal is. If your sole goal is to wow your team mates with how great you look in indoor nets, then do as many indoor nets as you can.

If, on the other hand, you want to be effective in an actual cricket match on a grass wicket, then practice as much in those conditions as possible, and strictly limit both the time spent in artificial conditions (plastic pitches, bowling machines etc), and the range of outcomes you try to achieve.
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Re: Is there such a thing in netting too much?
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2020, 09:53:02 AM »

Guarantee you pretty much no clubbie nets as much as the pros do. If nets is helping your batting then there's no way you can do it too much. If you bat like a tit in nets then you're probably better off not bothering.
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Re: Is there such a thing in netting too much?
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2020, 10:10:14 AM »

That would surely be a bad coach. A good coach would marvel if after doing that, the ball is still hit with perfect timing and despite doing that, rarely gets out, and recognize it is a special talent..

And therein lies the issue with cricket!
A lot of "coaches" go on their course, get a nice textbook and are taught how to teach out of it.

We need more coaches who work with what the player is naturally good at and develop it from there, not a load of people who want everyone to bat out of the ECB coaching manual
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Re: Is there such a thing in netting too much?
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2020, 10:38:16 AM »

Guarantee you pretty much no clubbie nets as much as the pros do. If nets is helping your batting then there's no way you can do it too much. If you bat like a tit in nets then you're probably better off not bothering.

Most pros have access to grass nets, and will also spend hours and hours and hours of time out in the middle. Their annual ratio of time spent on plastic to time spent on grass pitches will be no more than 10-20%.

Its not the act of netting that is the problem, it is the ratio of time you spend on different surfaces. A lot of amateur players spend more time in plastic-surfaced nets than they do in the middle - is it really a surprise that their technique and instincts become more attuned to this time of surface?


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Re: Is there such a thing in netting too much?
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2020, 10:39:47 AM »

And therein lies the issue with cricket!
A lot of "coaches" go on their course, get a nice textbook and are taught how to teach out of it.

We need more coaches who work with what the player is naturally good at and develop it from there, not a load of people who want everyone to bat out of the ECB coaching manual

There are a lot of bad coaches around, that's for sure.
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Re: Is there such a thing in netting too much?
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2020, 11:02:01 AM »

Guarantee you pretty much no clubbie nets as much as the pros do. If nets is helping your batting then there's no way you can do it too much. If you bat like a tit in nets then you're probably better off not bothering.

This was one thing I took away from watching a few interviews with Steve Smith and Marnus Labuschagne, the emphasis they put on hitting a lot of balls with a targeted goal. Similar to what Gary Palmer encourages, hit a lot of balls to build muscle memory.

How often does "batting practice" at club level extend beyond 15 minutes in the nets against variable standards of bowling?
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Re: Is there such a thing in netting too much?
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2020, 11:08:05 AM »

How can one get maximum benefit out of a bowling machine net? Ask the feeder to just feed you with random deliveries with different pace/length/swing or be more systematic about it and get balls bowled at a particular length/pace and practice the same shot multiple times?
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Re: Is there such a thing in netting too much?
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2020, 11:26:25 AM »

I've always found that the best use of the bowling machine is to work on a specific area where I'm weak or out of form. Best to also do this with a coach or experienced teammate who can give you advice on why you're getting it wrong/right each time.
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Re: Is there such a thing in netting too much?
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2020, 11:30:11 AM »

To answer the question, I would say no. Hitting more balls with good habits or bad habits will improve your game, it's hand-eye co-ordination after all.

I agree with a lot on this thread though of training with a purpose etc, facilties you use etc, I'm hoping we can net outside before stepping onto a wet green one in the first game.

And most importantly - if you are going to get a coach, find somebody that works for YOU.
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Re: Is there such a thing in netting too much?
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2020, 11:46:20 AM »

How often does "batting practice" at club level extend beyond 15 minutes in the nets against variable standards of bowling?
I'm a pretty strong believer that you get out what you put in with club nets - go in and have a hoon on the up, top edge a few and console yourself that it's only indoor nets and you'll likely only get worse. I'd like to see a tape of the dismissals of your average 'I hate nets, the bowling is crap' type - bet you there's not a lot of beautiful deliveries knocking off peg back and quite a lot of long hops chipped to cover!

On the other hand, go in with a proper mindset and nets will improve your batting.
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Re: Is there such a thing in netting too much?
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2020, 11:57:29 AM »

Most pros have access to grass nets, and will also spend hours and hours and hours of time out in the middle. Their annual ratio of time spent on plastic to time spent on grass pitches will be no more than 10-20%.

Its not the act of netting that is the problem, it is the ratio of time you spend on different surfaces. A lot of amateur players spend more time in plastic-surfaced nets than they do in the middle - is it really a surprise that their technique and instincts become more attuned to this time of surface?

Not always, they are all different. I had the fortune of working with Chanderpaul a couple of years ago. He would net for 1hr (c. 150 balls) a day before warmups. Bowling machine, indoor net were always his preferred method. Hated dog sticks, only certain people could throw to him. Bowling machine would vary over/ round, in/ outswingers but all at 95mph hitting the top of off.

Hitting balls regularly is going to probably do more good than not, even if not perfect practice.
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Re: Is there such a thing in netting too much?
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2020, 12:54:09 PM »

This all depends on many factors

Quality of trianing
Drills vs having a hit
Grass or indoor
Match training or the coaches favourite scenario training

Most amateur players will improve with training (assuming its not just a 30 min wack). However, only to a point.

Then you need to focus on grass training and doing quality sessions on grass vs good bowling .

I spend hours netting for enjoyment as much as anything but Im seeing little gains now really as its artificial surface. Plus, I dont face much 80-83mph stuff at all, ever but thats what I train on as its fun so thats another thing that doesnt actually help. People over rate how fast a bowlers
They face week on week out
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Re: Is there such a thing in netting too much?
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2020, 01:20:11 PM »

When myself and @Maverick79 net, well normally put the machine on slow and loopy as that gives you more practice than half volleys at a nice pace. Our AstroTurf wicket is very up and down. When Im feeling particularly out of touch well normally hit 80-100 balls in the slow setting to help 
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Re: Is there such a thing in netting too much?
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2020, 02:36:26 PM »

Not always, they are all different. I had the fortune of working with Chanderpaul a couple of years ago. He would net for 1hr (c. 150 balls) a day before warmups. Bowling machine, indoor net were always his preferred method. Hated dog sticks, only certain people could throw to him. Bowling machine would vary over/ round, in/ outswingers but all at 95mph hitting the top of off.

Hitting balls regularly is going to probably do more good than not, even if not perfect practice.

We are discussing nets for clubbies here! Your name dropping of "Chanderpaul" is noted. Setting a machine at "95mph" may work for Chanderpaul but will not benefits clubbies.
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Re: Is there such a thing in netting too much?
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2020, 02:45:15 PM »

For a clubbie, here are things that help me:

1. Practicing on a surface that closely simulates the game-day pitch.
2. Have a practice plan and stick to it. If you have 1 hour a week to practice, you want to make the most of it.
3. Drill (or "groove") basics. Eye-level. Head position. Shot alignment. Foot movement. Etc. Take your pick but have a list to go through.
4. During your practice session, avoid bad bowling and bowlers like Covid-19! If you have no choice, practice leaving or defending against bad bowlers. Many a good batsmen lose their wicket to some very poor bowling during a game than good bowling.
5. Bowling machines are great! But work with someone who knows how to practice against a bowling machine. 60/65 mph is good enough to build muscle memory.
7. Don't practice on tired/fatigued muscles. This is how I picked up all sorts of bad habits. Take frequent breaks and make sure your body is nice and loose when batting.
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