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sarg

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Re: Inside the Gray Nicolls factory in Australia
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2020, 03:00:59 AM »

Aside from the novelty factor (big bats, unique shapes, & pingtastic bats for pro players), GN-AUS/Kranzie made bats are just too expensive. For a bang (or ping) for your buck, Keeleys are far better value. On top of that, there is no guarantee that a Kranzie would last long. And, that's true even for Kranzies used by Pros - too dry some say.

Better value? Depends where you live. Can you do your maths on here and show how you arrived at this insight? Just apply the price as a resident of the country of origin and apply exchange rates.
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Re: Inside the Gray Nicolls factory in Australia
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2020, 05:17:36 AM »

When we say pros bat not supposed to last the how come some pros in past ( sachin Tendulakar etc ) had same bat for years n years
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Re: Inside the Gray Nicolls factory in Australia
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2020, 05:43:25 AM »

When we say pros bat not supposed to last the how come some pros in past ( sachin Tendulakar etc ) had same bat for years n years

Im a bit too young to remember the early days of sachins career but I do believe the attitude towards bats, the drying and pressing methods and also the ammount the players received from sponsors would have been vastly different than the attitudes and methods regarding bats today. Of course there are always the freak bats that just hang on and keep going.

My main point would be just looking and listening to interviews with players these days, they carry 5-10 bats with them for a reason.

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Re: Inside the Gray Nicolls factory in Australia
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2020, 07:35:03 AM »

Better value? Depends where you live. Can you do your maths on here and show how you arrived at this insight? Just apply the price as a resident of the country of origin and apply exchange rates.
I wholeheartedly agree with Mark here. Better value is subjective. If you're sitting in Pakistan, a Ca plus 15000 looks like great value for money compared to a grade 3 Keeley Worx. But if you're sitting in the UK they're both likely to cost you the same. I suppose the same can be said about OZ gray nics if you're sitting in Australia.
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Re: Inside the Gray Nicolls factory in Australia
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2020, 08:31:08 AM »

Arent the Kranzie bats also narrower in width to give the extra size in the edge most of the time.

Personally Iv never had a Aus GN but there is no way I believe they are any better than a top end Keeley or Salix or H4L as its all in the pressing and those 4 all press a bat superbly for me
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Re: Inside the Gray Nicolls factory in Australia
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2020, 11:02:32 AM »

If you have or have picked up an oversized kranz. Youll know what I mean
I'll buck a trend here, although I know a few others agree with me... I've picked up several and hated all of them.
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Re: Inside the Gray Nicolls factory in Australia
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2020, 11:54:59 AM »

In Australia there aren't a huge amount of bat makers and a heck of a lot of very expensive (import duties), by and large very average, imported bats. Where they really succeed is getting a lot of their Aus made bats in the shops across a range of rice points which have that extra bit of attention to detail in the pressing and balancing. That is where I feel the UK model ones are a bit of a let down as they seem to be pretty average by and large and very expensive with the majority seemingly coming from outside the UK. There are decent bats out there of course ( @Six Sixes Cricket had a Powerbow 6x that was pressed beautifully and very good value)

There also aren't and weren't many mass making nice looking big bats.

They did a great job making the most of over sized clefts, very often from willow that isn't that pretty, in shapes that have a wow factor by losing weight in the toes, shoulders, handles and binding, having flat faces and sharper edges. Fair play for seeing past looks and coming up with some very desirable bats but I’m not sure any of the big bats are practical (at least IMO)

Are they magical? Not really. If I were in Australia and couldn't get a UK made bat then it would be the easy option to go for one but it would be one of the less flashy shapes with a more sensible middle position. GN Aus make some great bats on par with other bat makers but there isn't anything extra special. The only bat I ever liked the pick up of was the Atomic- even the higher middle ones feel a bit of a lump. FWIW I've also never had or seen a Keeley that I like the feel of so I'm probably just picky. That said if you offered me a monster one for a reasonable price I'd go for it just for funsies and that kind of sums up why they seem popular outside Australia IMO.

You can't forget too that the softs blow the UK ones out of the water. They are a completely different level of fit, materials, design and overall attention to detail.
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Re: Inside the Gray Nicolls factory in Australia
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2020, 02:34:18 PM »

Arent the Kranzie bats also narrower in width to give the extra size in the edge most of the time.

Personally Iv never had a Aus GN but there is no way I believe they are any better than a top end Keeley or Salix or H4L as its all in the pressing and those 4 all press a bat superbly for me

No kranzie bata are not any narrower.

I don't think they are better or worse. All 4 or those are totally different and excellent in their own niche. I think some you blokes have a few videos to watch. ;)
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Re: Inside the Gray Nicolls factory in Australia
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2020, 02:56:50 PM »

No kranzie bata are not any narrower.

I don't think they are better or worse. All 4 or those are totally different and excellent in their own niche. I think some you blokes have a few videos to watch. ;)

I've got a XXX11 Players and it is narrower. I get where @DorsetDan is coming from. The handles are notoriously thin which in turn makes the blade seem a bit unwieldy.

Dan, you should try a Laver & Wood oval handle. I reckon you'd like it.
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Re: Inside the Gray Nicolls factory in Australia
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2020, 03:09:10 PM »

No kranzie bata are not any narrower.

Every one of the big wow factor bats I’ve measured has been a few mm narrower. I think @Jaffa ’s Atomic was around 105mm too??? It wouldn’t bother me but they do seem to save some weight there. I’ll have to watch all your videos again to see how the ones you’ve seen stack up :)

Edit: First video I checked (Atomic 1000 since that’s my lust) you mention it is undersized. I’d also suggest that is an Indian made bat not Aus due to the handle top marking (it hasn’t just lost the flag button) and the lack of shoulder stamps. Both Indian and Aus ones have the A marking. I don’t know if you looked for tape on it as that would be the real tell tale sign but I’d reckon it was twine.

Chase and B3 have made my perfect handle.... but can they make a 45mm edge Atomic.... hmmm
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Re: Inside the Gray Nicolls factory in Australia
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2020, 03:27:35 PM »

I can't stand narrow bats advertised as SH. If you want narrow buy GM academy etc and save some dollar too. I had amazing Anthem but once noticed it's narrower I had to sell it.
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Re: Inside the Gray Nicolls factory in Australia
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2020, 07:36:04 PM »

GN Australia personally wins for me over Keeley made bats overall. Shop keeley bats 8 out of 10 times just don't have enough wood in them, and yes in modern limited overs cricket this really matters. You won't find too many white ball players wielding bats with 30 odd edges and 50 odd spines.

Having said that, I have had a few genuine pro bats from both makers, not the 'pro' bats that float around here but from international players' kit bats, and they have been really special and huge for their weights, with the GNs having a little more x factor.

My personal favorite bats though have been the really special and really low density H4Ls, these blow all other bats out of the water and it's not only my opinion whoever has seen these wanted to buy them off me. These are the same big h4ls @sarg reviewed
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Re: Inside the Gray Nicolls factory in Australia
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2020, 07:37:57 PM »

I also don't like narrow bats. I sent back my first Mighty Willow back because it was narrow. But do we know what the performance trade off is? Maybe you get better performance with more weight behind the sweet spot and narrower face. Obviously you have less leeway to miss the middle and still not miss or edge it
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Re: Inside the Gray Nicolls factory in Australia
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2020, 07:41:26 PM »

Is narrow bats common practice? It stinks to me personally, bit naughty IMO from the bat makers
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Re: Inside the Gray Nicolls factory in Australia
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2020, 08:06:06 PM »

I have not come across many keeleys, but the ones that I have seen and held dont come close to my Kranzie GN bats, all the GN bats I have seen, mine and @Ajdal GN collection have been normal width. At the end it comes to preference...
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