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All time Test XI.... but....
« on: April 17, 2020, 07:54:40 AM »

This question was posed on the social accounts of The Cricketer, and is an interesting one.

Who would make your all time Test XI.... but you can't pick 2 players from the same country.

My team is below -

Cook - ENG
Fleming (c) - NZ
Bradman - AUS
Tendulkar - IND
Richards - WI
A. Flower (wk) - ZIM
Shakib - BAN
Akram - PAK
R. Khan - AFG
Steyn - SA
Murali - SL
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Re: All time Test XI.... but....
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2020, 08:22:28 AM »

Slightly fudging my batting order for this. This would be some middle order.

Lara - WI
Fleming (C) - NZ
Kallis - SA
Tendulkar - India
Sangakarra (WK) - SL
Botham - Eng
Shakib - Ban
Heath Streak - Zim
Wasim Akram - Pak
Rashid Khan - Afg
McGrath - Aus
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Re: All time Test XI.... but....
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2020, 08:38:49 AM »

Tricky. I looked at it as follows:

Need a player from each of ZIM/BAN/AFG to make up 11 - I think that has to be Flower/Shakib/Rashid as they're the only truly world class players from those nations. That means two spinner slots and a middle order keeper batsman are locked in.

Then you've got to have Bradman - can't ignore a guy averaging 100. So that's number 3 locked.

That leaves you IND/WI/ENG/NZ/PAK/SL/SA to make up (ideally) two openers, three fast bowlers, a seam bowling all rounder and a middle order batsman. Seam bowling all rounder and openers are the hardest positions to fill there IMO, so I'm going to pick the best players in those categories first and go from there. Best openers from those countries statistically are Gavaskar and Cook so they're in - also like the combination of skill in all conditions. Seam bowling all rounder (given ENG are out) then has to be Kallis. That leaves three fast bowlers to pick from PAK/WI/NZ/SL - SL not famous for their fast bowlers, so I'll pick the best from each of PAK/WI and NZ - in my eyes Akram, Marshall and Hadlee. This leaves a middle order batsman from SL, which has to be Sangakkara.

My team is therefore:

1. Gavaskar (IND)
2. Cook (ENG)
3. Bradman (AUS)
4. Sangakkara (SL)
5. Kallis (SA)
6. Flower (WK) (ZIM)
7. Shakib (BAN)
8. Hadlee (NZ)
9. Rashid Khan (AFG)
10. Akram (PAK)
11. Marshall (WI)

Pretty happy with that - specialist openers, bats to 11, two good spinners, a frightening opening combo in Akram and Marshall (left and right arm), very handy seam support from Hadlee (and Kallis).

For a series on the subcontinent with proper turning pitches I'd swap Sangakkara for Murali and Hadlee for Williamson - so the side would be:

1. Gavaskar
2. Cook
3. Bradman
4. Kallis
5. Williamson
6. Flower (WK)
7. Shakib
8. Rashid
9. Akram
10. Marshall
11. Muralitharan
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Re: All time Test XI.... but....
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2020, 09:03:49 AM »

Cook - ENG
Gavaskar - IND
Bradman- AUS
Sangakkara - SL
Kallis - SA
Sobers - WI
A Flower (wk) - ZIM
Shakib - BAN
Hadlee - NZ
Akram - PAK
R Khan - AFG

Went along the same thought pattern is jp but with so many world class all-rounders available, I had to go with both Sobers and Kallis to provide incredible balance to the team. Two blokes who average over 50 with the bat and between them took over 500 test match wickets at an average of just over 33, excellent rotation bowlers for Hadlee and Akram until the two spinners come into the game.
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Re: All time Test XI.... but....
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2020, 09:13:10 AM »

Cook - ENG
Tendulkar - IND
Ponting - AUS
Kallis -  SA
Lara - WI
Sangakarra (wk) - SL
Shakib - BAN
Akram - PAK
R. Khan - AFG
Streak - Zim
Hadlee - NZ
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Re: All time Test XI.... but....
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2020, 09:14:54 AM »

I have taken full advantage of that Test Match in 2005 between Australia and the ICC World XI to put this team together!

A. Cook (ENG)
D. Bradman (AUS) 
J. Kallis (World XI)
B. Lara (WIN)
B. Taylor (ZIM)
S. Al Hassan (BAN)
MS Dhoni+ (IND)   
D. Steyn (SA)
W. Akram (PAK)
M. Muralitharan (SL)
S. Bond (NZ)

If I'm not allowed Kallis at 3, I'll have Kevin O'Brien (Ireland) instead. 
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Re: All time Test XI.... but....
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2020, 09:21:13 AM »

Cook doesn't even make my second best Eng team, I am not sure how he is in nearly every line up so far.

Sehwag (I know I should pick Tendulkar, but yawn to that)
Hobbs
Bradman
Crowe
De Silva (tempted to have Ranatunga as make him skipper... Humm)
Sobers
Flower (Wk)
Shakib
Akram
Khan
Steyn.
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Re: All time Test XI.... but....
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2020, 09:27:02 AM »

Cook - ENG
Ponting -Aus
Tendulker - IND
A flower - Zim
Lara - WI
Mustifa Raheem (think thats his name)(wk) - BA
Kallis -SA
Akram - PAK
Muralitharan - SL
Vatorie -NZ
Jones - ENG
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Re: All time Test XI.... but....
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2020, 09:31:01 AM »

Two Aussie players and no Bradman Chris

Now two Eng players @SOULMAN1012 😂
« Last Edit: April 17, 2020, 11:34:49 AM by Buzz »
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Re: All time Test XI.... but....
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2020, 09:31:11 AM »

Buzz, so one of the (arguably) best openers of all time doesn't make your England XI?!
Who makes your 2 teams ahead of him as opener?
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Re: All time Test XI.... but....
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2020, 09:32:33 AM »

Buzz, so one of the (arguably) best openers of all time doesn't make your England XI?!
Who makes your 2 teams ahead of him as opener?

Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Edridge, Gooch, Strauss, Boycott, Atherton, Trescothic to name a few
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Re: All time Test XI.... but....
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2020, 09:33:57 AM »

Cook doesn't even make my second best Eng team, I am not sure how he is in nearly every line up so far.

Sehwag (I know I should pick Tendulkar, but yawn to that)
Hobbs
Bradman
Crowe
De Silva (tempted to have Ranatunga as make him skipper... Humm)
Sobers
Flower (Wk)
Shakib
Akram
Khan
Steyn.

Leading run scorer for a test match opener, 30+ hundreds and success in all conditions including away in Oz/SA and on the subcontinent is pretty compelling I thought! Plus with these teams you need to make sure you have openers that can protect the star studded middle orders from the new ball..
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Re: All time Test XI.... but....
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2020, 09:40:02 AM »

Jack Hobbs. 199 first class tons on uncovered pitches.
Averaged 56.94 in test cricket.
61,237 first class runs, and would have scored more if it wasn't for the first World War.
Plus with crap bats and no proper protection (and an abhorrence for thigh pads 😮)

There was cricket before sky tv/before the 80s...
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Re: All time Test XI.... but....
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2020, 09:43:14 AM »

Jack Hobbs. 199 first class tons on uncovered pitches.
Averaged 56.94 in test cricket.
61,237 first class runs, and would have scored more if it wasn't for the first World War.
Plus with crap bats and no proper protection.

There was cricket before sky tv/before the 80s...

Fair point - suppose he could come into the side without damaging it too much  :D
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Re: All time Test XI.... but....
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2020, 10:18:57 AM »

Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Edridge, Gooch, Strauss, Boycott, Atherton, Trescothic to name a few

Hobbs - fair enough, he could bat a bit... 
Not sure Peter Sutcliffe makes it just because he's a Yorkshire man!
Edridge - was he any better than Cook?
Gooch - great player again, but was he as good as Cook?
Strauss - a good player who did a lot for England, but not as prolific a run scorer as Cook.
Boycott - A strong case, fair enough.
Atherton - possibly a victim of the era he played in, but his record was nowhere near as good as Cook's.
Trescothick - A very good player but had a slightly worse record than Cook over a shorter timeframe.
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