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mohawks94

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Netting clips
« on: April 27, 2020, 02:31:28 PM »

I took a couple of videos before lockdown of myself netting vs bowling machine. One filmed from round the wicket angle, one from over and a couple of weeks apart.

I am just clipping the over the wicket bits together, but any ideas on the below are appreciated! Speed is between 55-63mph as I was running in the bat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31EajOUn8TE

Our coach has a random taste in music, so the videos are unavailable in some countries due to copyright claims.

Main thing I am working on is getting my front foot further across as I have always had a habit of staying slightly leg side and defending to point, but this is easier to see in the clips I am sorting at the moment.
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Re: Netting clips
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2020, 03:03:55 PM »

What I can see is back leg coming around a lot, chest open a lot of the time, quite often hands away from the body and playing a lot with your hands, bat most often going out, in, out rather than straight path to the ball which all means you end up leg side. Your hands also look quite far apart on the handle when you play a shot which makes the bat and shot harder to control and adds to the handsie shots.

A lot of the time your head gets towards the ball pretty well but the rest seems to open up and make life a bit more difficult than it needs to be with the above stuff happening. It might be just needing to think about getting your head and front shoulder in to "kissing the ball" like KP advocated though no doubt SLA will tell us all that kind of outdated thinking is nonsense.
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Re: Netting clips
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2020, 03:06:31 PM »

And here is the over the wicket angle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mTZHpsHp5k&feature=youtu.be

Not getting my front foot across over fully is more obvious here. I think a lot of it is just confidence at the crease - in matches I take longer to get going than in nets, for my feet to get moving etc.
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Re: Netting clips
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2020, 03:10:38 PM »

FWIW, I know I will never be a top order bat at the level I play, but I want to be someone who can come out and play with freedom or grind us to a total from 7-9.

I certainly do walk around quite a lot at the crease, its the way I have found I get across more and transition my weight better.

Hands I hadn't noticed though, so I will defo work on that as I always try to keep them close but obviously they have subconsciously moved apart.
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Re: Netting clips
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2020, 03:22:15 PM »

On the second video it looks like your trigger is putting your feet on top of each other and not giving you any kind of base to work from but it is hard to say without a side view. Your back foot seem to be the one more often than not trying to make the angle you want for a shot because it is the one that can move most easily as the front foot is cramped. It is probably easier to play back foot shots from that starting position where you can spring back from you front foot when on your toes but I've always felt it locks and cramps your front foot from going anywhere forwards. So you might be trying to do good stuff with your head but your feet and base are working against you IMO.

Others may well have a different opinion but basically I think your trigger is trapping and cramping your front foot meaning your hands and back leg are trying to make room and manufacture a shot. I wouldn't worry about "getting your feet moving", I'd worry about a balanced base and then head/ front shoulder in to the ball. Buzz'll love that but I'm sure other disagree :D

I wouldn't be over the moon about a coach cheering when they get you out either!
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Re: Netting clips
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2020, 03:34:56 PM »

Stand still man! I think Dan's about right, your trigger is putting you in a poor position and all the moving about will make it significantly harder to judge the ball.
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Re: Netting clips
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2020, 03:55:03 PM »

What was he actually doing to coach you? Watched the 1st video
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Re: Netting clips
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2020, 04:10:45 PM »

I like the contact points (late) and soft hands. You let the ball come hit the bat which is great.

Have you tried batting on off stump (and then not having a huge trigger)? It seems like in the current setup / trigger, your weight will all go towards the off side , leaving you vulnerable to inswing / straighter lines. Plus, if youre batting lower down, I assume theyll try and bowl full and straight - which might be harder to play if youre moving this much.

But ultimately, as long as you have a gameplan to get in (which shots will you play while youre getting in, and which shots will you leave), you should stick with what is most comfortable to you.
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Re: Netting clips
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2020, 04:11:20 PM »

Wasn't the coach feeding the bowling machine, was a team mate hence the celebration/friendly rivalry. That said, Zippy does celebrate when he gets you out with the machine/sidearm.

When coaching we have been discussing dragging the front foot further over - have worked on back and across to get into a stronger position to get forward and working on the sidearm. In lock down I have been getting my mother on the throwdowns to work on it. Generally the longer I bat the further I get my foot across, so its partly a confidence thing, partly being 'in'.

I have tried batting with no trigger, but it just doesn't work for me. For a while I walked into the ball, but settled on back and across from a middle and leg guard as how I felt most comfortable. Potentially widening my stance so my feet aren't so close together could stop them trapping?
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Re: Netting clips
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2020, 04:13:10 PM »

I like the contact points (late) and soft hands. You let the ball come hit the bat which is great.

Have you tried batting on off stump (and then not having a huge trigger)? It seems like in the current setup / trigger, your weight will all go towards the off side , leaving you vulnerable to inswing / straighter lines. Plus, if youre batting lower down, I assume theyll try and bowl full and straight - which might be harder to play if youre moving this much.

But ultimately, as long as you have a gameplan to get in (which shots will you play while youre getting in, and which shots will you leave), you should stick with what is most comfortable to you.

When facing left arm seam over the wicket, I open up slightly more and bat on middle and off to allow me to hit straight.
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Re: Netting clips
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2020, 04:14:39 PM »

And if your issue is that your front foot stays leg side of the ball, this is actually GREAT (less chance of closing yourself off)... just bat on off stump and ignore your front foot, instead of trying to rewire everything. Your head will be on off, you will have less ground to cover in accessing the ball, and your natural technique will prevent you from getting lbw.
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Re: Netting clips
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2020, 04:21:54 PM »

I'll certainly give an off stump guard a go against everything once we are back in the nets.

My general role doesn't tend to give me time to get in, as it is going in late on to try to smack it out the park. The one time I had an opportunity to build an innings last year I got a ton (in a friendly though).
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Re: Netting clips
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2020, 04:59:06 PM »

@mohawks94 , How do you get out most of the time in actual matches? Are you scoring runs?  In my case, there are 2-3 recurring themes and that's how I know what I am doing wrong. :D Also, those are the things I work on first in my nets.

Your stance and head position (video 2) look very good. You hands seem too busy (active). You are also (video 2) not completing your shots - ball makes contact and you just let the bat hang there. What's the bowling machine speed in the first video? Its not clear what your coach is trying to achieve there. All net/practice sessions should have a clearly defined objective.  Have you watched Gary Palmer's "Alignment. Balance. Completion" (ABC) videos? You will get a lot of power in your shots if you follow his coaching. Videos are free on Youtube.

You seem tall in height, so reach shouldn't be an issue. Your feet are active and you move well. So, you have good ingredients to work with. Set some goals - such as working on your ABC and un-weighting your bat and solid contact - and work on them in nets.


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Re: Netting clips
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2020, 05:06:01 PM »

My general role doesn't tend to give me time to get in, as it is going in late on to try to smack it out the park.
If that's your role, why so timid in training?
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Re: Netting clips
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2020, 05:08:21 PM »

Interestingly last season, in 1s cricket I was lbw playing back to a spinner once, chopped on a quick the other time I was out. In 2s cricket I was either stumped or bowled charging in each of my 3 innings. I've hardly batted in league cricket the last two seasons.

First clip is mid 50s to mid 60s as I was running in the bat.

I've been working on not going so hard at the ball, which is why a lot of the time I'm not completing shots.
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