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Re: Keeley cricket and the industry generally
« Reply #135 on: May 27, 2020, 01:12:32 AM »

This might be a dumb question, but why does it need to be advertised what percentage of the bat is shaped by hand or CNC? Does using a drawknife inject extra ping into a bat? I have heard phrases like hundred percent handmade and CNC free But I always ignore them..  Does it make one iota of difference what metal tool is being used to shave off extra wood?

Any reasonably skilled carpenter can copy any bat shape you show him.

The only part of bat making that actually makes a difference is the pressing and handling. I love the way Laver and Wood press and handle their bats - would i stop buying from them if they switch To CNC? Of course not. In fact i would be happier - because some of their bats show up with uneven edges!

If you want to shape bats by hand as a hobby, more power to you. If you want to make bats as a business, youd be foolish to ignore the technological innovation out there and risk ending up like that grumpy xenophobic guy on YouTube/Facebook who claims all his 2lb12oz bats pick up lighter than 2lb8
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Re: Keeley cricket and the industry generally
« Reply #136 on: May 27, 2020, 02:36:33 AM »

Salix definitely dont use part made bats!! They do however use a copy lathe/profiler which is what was referred to.

Oh ok. So they have just part shaped all those bats in house? Sorry It just looked that way. My bad.
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« Reply #137 on: May 27, 2020, 11:29:42 AM »

here's something that i feel is dishonest in the cricket industry. brands should clearly specify the origin of manufacture of their bats. not that there is any problem with it. if i can wave around my "assembled in China" iphone and rock my "made in bangladesh" Adidas shirt, i have zero problems if my Kookaburra bat says made in India on it. there's nothing wrong with it but that is something i believe should clearly be mentioned. its usually present in softs but i genuinely feel brands are ashamed to say their bats are made in India
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Re: Keeley cricket and the industry generally
« Reply #138 on: May 27, 2020, 12:01:11 PM »

They do in Australia, not sure if laws are different in UK.
Really? Do the indian made Kookas and Gray nics in the aussie range say they're made in india? I have a lot of problems with Pakistani bats and manufacturers but they do wear the "made in Pakistan" on every bat they make with pride
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« Reply #139 on: May 28, 2020, 01:50:14 AM »

A while back I heard a story about an induction course for graduates working for Bosch where they were asked what they sold to their customers.  Someone volunteered the answer "drills" then a slide was put up showing a hole in a wall.

Cricket bats are a bit like that for me.  It is up to the manufacturer to decide the best process to achieve the end result.  As a consumer I am only interested in the outcome.  I don't think I am being deceived if a manufacture decides to use a CNC machine as part of the process.  I assume there was a time when all bats were sanded by hand.  I wouldn't feel that a bat wasn't handmade if that job is done using a machine.

For me there are two areas where I think customers are being deceived: brands were the origin and maker of the bats is not disclosed; and grading of bats with the standard required of top grades being lowered whilst prices go up.
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Re: Keeley cricket and the industry generally
« Reply #140 on: May 28, 2020, 12:41:26 PM »

I've had a long hard think and I'm not happy unless:

- The batmaker plants the willow trees by hand; shovelling dirt using hands and not shovels or any other equipment
- Uses brute strength to push the tree down and uproot it using bare hands
 but will allow for using body weights and leaning on it
- Chopping the willow using karate chops
- Then leave it to dry in the open air
- FLying over and breaking the cane by hand and cork
- Once ready using sharp nails to shape the bat
- I also want natural glue for the handle fitting
- Hand sanding on a morning stubble

Anything else is second rate and not handmade! Don't accept anything else guys for handmade else you are being ripped off!



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Re: Keeley cricket and the industry generally
« Reply #141 on: May 28, 2020, 01:06:22 PM »

Wow, what a thread.

I understand where your coming from @LEACHY48 , but the truth of the matter is every mass producing bat maker will be using either a cnc , copy lathe etc.. so in a batmakers eyes does it matter?  All these shapes still need finishing/balancing

on another note i have seen a bat made completely by using machinery ( other than the handle shape). And To concave a bat completely by sander was impressive

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Re: Keeley cricket and the industry generally
« Reply #142 on: May 28, 2020, 01:21:38 PM »

I've had a long hard think and I'm not happy unless:

- The batmaker plants the willow trees by hand; shovelling dirt using hands and not shovels or any other equipment
- Uses brute strength to push the tree down and uproot it using bare hands
 but will allow for using body weights and leaning on it
- Chopping the willow using karate chops
- Then leave it to dry in the open air
- FLying over and breaking the cane by hand and cork
- Once ready using sharp nails to shape the bat
- I also want natural glue for the handle fitting
- Hand sanding on a morning stubble

Anything else is second rate and not handmade! Don't accept anything else guys for handmade else you are being ripped off!

Yet another flippant remark adding nothing to the topic. I'll repeat, for possibly the 1 millionth time...I don't have a problem with people using technology. I actually quite like the accuracy some technology provides. I dislike a lack of transparency... Is that so hard to get?

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Re: Keeley cricket and the industry generally
« Reply #143 on: May 28, 2020, 01:23:29 PM »

Wow, what a thread.

I understand where your coming from @LEACHY48 , but the truth of the matter is every mass producing bat maker will be using either a cnc , copy lathe etc.. so in a batmakers eyes does it matter?  All these shapes still need finishing/balancing

on another note i have seen a bat made completely by using machinery ( other than the handle shape). And To concave a bat completely by sander was impressive

I agree that many manufacturers do it, but again it comes back to transparency, as those that I listed previously are open about their process, others are not.

I agree that some manufacturers use technology very skillfully too.
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Re: Keeley cricket and the industry generally
« Reply #144 on: May 28, 2020, 01:55:14 PM »

Yet another flippant remark adding nothing to the topic. I'll repeat, for possibly the 1 millionth time...I don't have a problem with people using technology. I actually quite like the accuracy some technology provides. I dislike a lack of transparency... Is that so hard to get?

Wasn't directed at you specifically ;) Just a bit of jest; not intended to offend anyone ...
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« Reply #145 on: May 28, 2020, 02:38:55 PM »

He's very easily offended - it's his height I'm afraid.
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Re: Keeley cricket and the industry generally
« Reply #146 on: May 28, 2020, 02:50:42 PM »

As mentioned, I'm in favour of transparency but from a manufacturers perspective. There's always question of how much you need to spell out your manufacturing process. When around ~90% of 'handmade' bats made in the UK are made with the input of either a copy lathe or CNC, do you really need to explain that? At what point does machine shaping input become synonymous with handmaking?

As mentioned, we don't feel the need to note the input of bandsaws or spindle moulders.
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Re: Keeley cricket and the industry generally
« Reply #147 on: May 28, 2020, 03:35:15 PM »

I guess the question is: are they cheating by using and not disclosing technology? If so, why is that unethical? Cant think of another industry where people get so upset about someone not disclosing what machines theyve used. I think handmade in England is sufficiently accurate, and frankly nobody really cares. If it said 100 percent handmade and used that label to extract a higher price, you would be justified in feeling some outrage.
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Re: Keeley cricket and the industry generally
« Reply #148 on: May 28, 2020, 03:53:24 PM »

Anyone seen those overpriced pro bats on Instagram..... 😉🙃

They look unreal to me 🔥🔥🔥
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