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Closing our wallets
« on: May 26, 2020, 10:31:52 PM »


What if all consumers in the world stop buying ANY new bat from ANY manufacture for at least a year? Everyone has more than enough bats to last them for a year or many of us have spares that we can sell or lend to fellow batsman in support. The goal should be, to boycott the sky rocketing prices and bring the bat the manufacturers/retailers back into their senses. It's ridiculous to see a freaking G2 being marketed for almost 400.
What the heck is this?
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Re: Closing our wallets
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2020, 07:06:47 AM »

It might sound sensible but could be counterproductive. If a large number of smaller makers go out of business you'll have less competition, meaning less incentive for the larger makers to compete on price.
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Re: Closing our wallets
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2020, 07:34:34 AM »

Just vote with your wallet instead of closing it. Support small manufacturers that have fair pricing and are honest.

Neon, Red ink, Robert James, Scott cricket bats, H4L, etc etc.

The cost of top end willow has not increased on a comparable scale to the end prices - that means margins have been the driving factor behind the price rise.

Personally I won't ever buy a bat direct from keeley, gray nics, etc as I don't agree with their pricing and I think others that feel the same should do the same. However as everyone mentioned in the other thread. Where there are people with (in my opinion) more money than sense that will pay 650-1000 for a piece of wood that may break on first use, then companies will exploit this.

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Re: Closing our wallets
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2020, 07:38:25 AM »

Absolutely Jake supporting the smaller brands (and retailers) is the only way we will have what we know as a cricket industry after all this is over.
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Re: Closing our wallets
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2020, 07:41:24 AM »

Agree with Jimbo here but maybe with slightly different reasoning, the cricket industry is a business just like any other and not immune to a significant downturn which is around the corner.

People with enough money of course are recession proof and that's been the same throughout history.

Much has been discussed on the other thread about 600-700 quid bats being the norm now, is there a shortage of willow forcing up prices? I don't know the answer to that...

But as the prices go up for the lower grade bats as well as top of the range that opens a gap for the smaller companies who don't have large overheads or sponsorship to pay for(as in free or discounted bats for pro's)
So I see the gap widening and people looking for better value from smaller batmakers- this gap seems to be getting bigger.

That is how I see it, could be wrong but with prices climbing steeply, the average earning club cricketer may think there are other priorities For there money.

At best in 2020 it looks like half a season of games...that has to be a factor in any new buying surely?
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Re: Closing our wallets
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2020, 07:43:32 AM »

are you sure?

Yes. 100% sure that Adam has fair pricing.
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Re: Closing our wallets
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2020, 07:47:00 AM »

are you sure?

Also, don't use the quote feature, and then edit what I said, it doesn't work that way 😂
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Re: Closing our wallets
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2020, 07:47:44 AM »

are you sure?

Care to explain? Happy to alleviate any concerns - I've been nothing but upfront since starting the brand so if for any reason I'm coming across as dishonest I would very much like the opportunity to put that right
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Re: Closing our wallets
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2020, 08:01:13 AM »

so who makes his bats? can you buy a custom bat with that manufacturer for a lower price?

why are there exactly the same softs available at lower prices?

i understand there are running costs and he has a premise to run/pay for (i.e. not a bedroom/home run company). but fair pricing - is that fair for his costs or fair on the same products from UK sources?

FOR THE RECORD - this is just enquring questions - to help form a more informed judgement - as from what i have seen on here/ Neon's website and seing Neon stuff in the flesh (people from Trowbridge CC using it) and Neon's ebay selling (stickers P&P 4.95) i am not convinced.....

I don't know anywhere you can get the same quality as Adam for a lower price. He is in line with the boutique brand prices.

He has spent hours badgering over every aspect of his branding, his soft design and his bat source.

Also the argument you just presented is akin to saying - I can make a cricket bat cheaper than I can buy one from X brand, or retailers are dishonest because they buy the bats from the manufacturer cheaper than we get them.

Of course it will be cheaper to go direct to the source, it's a basic of business that you have to add on a margin on top of your cost price.

Also once you factor in shipping, import duties etc, it probably isn't much cheaper no.

Show me an example of anywhere the exact same softs as Adam has designed are available elsewhere for a lower price.

Also 5 quid to send a large letter reinforced with cardboard to try and make sure your stickers don't get bent, in a next day delivery, seems pretty fair to me.
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Re: Closing our wallets
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2020, 08:15:28 AM »

so who makes his bats? can you buy a custom bat with that manufacturer for a lower price?

why are there exactly the same softs available at lower prices?

i understand there are running costs and he has a premise to run/pay for (i.e. not a bedroom/home run company). but fair pricing - is that fair for his costs or fair on the same products from UK sources?

FOR THE RECORD - this is just enquring questions - to help form a more informed judgement - as from what i have seen on here/ Neon's website and seing Neon stuff in the flesh (people from Trowbridge CC using it) and Neon's ebay selling (stickers P&P 4.95) i am not convinced.....

Having picked up a pair of Neon pads this year, I would love to know where you think I could get exactly the same (quality of material, branding, etc) for the extremely good price I paid.
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WalkingWicket37

Re: Closing our wallets
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2020, 08:16:05 AM »

I'm agreeing with Simmy's sentiment yesterday more by the post at the moment... :(
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Re: Closing our wallets
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2020, 08:18:47 AM »

He has spent hours badgering over every aspect of his branding, his soft design and his bat source. - i'm sure every company does

Also the argument you just presented is akin to saying - I can make a cricket bat cheaper than I can buy one from X brand, or retailers are dishonest because they buy the bats from the manufacturer cheaper than we get them. - i am not saying i can make a bat what so ever, i am asking if - in this ecnomically tight time - i can buy the same make of bat for better value and

Of course it will be cheaper to go direct to the source, it's a basic of business that you have to add on a margin on top of your cost price. i spoke about this in my response to you so i am not sure what point you are making here

Also once you factor in shipping, import duties etc, it probably isn't much cheaper no. if i buy from overseas - i said UK based - i was not going to say about the same softs, unbranded or not from online stockists

Show me an example of anywhere the exact same softs as Adam has designed are available elsewhere for a lower price.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/264525945709?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=710-134428-41853-0&mkcid=2&itemid=264525945709&targetid=877514743599&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=1007129&poi=&campaignid=9437711009&mkgroupid=101485162971&rlsatarget=aud-629407027345:pla-877514743599&abcId=1140496&merchantid=119059337&gclid=Cj0KCQjwn7j2BRDrARIsAHJkxmwrOWybwaMLLf2pNNA0CXp82CI838LTAJRdUFWJ_-DhWz9z55kg8l0aAsgNEALw_wcB

to me these are the same pads - this may be a bedroom seller, but they are brand new and BAS, so there is an extra mark up as it is being sold by a retailer, not a direct seller, so the mark up should be more?

sorry if i'm wrong or have upset you (or anyone) i was just after more info - as what i have seen has not made me want to buy from a company that is local to me, so i was looking to see if i was wrong about my opinion

I'm not sure we are looking at the same product here, those pads are quite obviously completely different to Adams. Lol. There is no quilting on the top hat, the straps look cheap, there's no gel in the knee roll, etc etc. Bit like comparing a fiat 500 to a ferrari that one.

You can't buy the same make of bat with the same shape anywhere in the UK as far as I'm aware unless it was a custom order.

The point I was making is that you undermine your entire argument against Adam when you say its cheaper to go direct and therefore it's not fair pricing.
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Re: Closing our wallets
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2020, 08:20:08 AM »

Would add as well, part of what you pay for with the smaller brands is the customer service. When I was buying my pads, Adam went away and measured his stock for me and was happy and easily available to discuss what I was looking for.

Quite happy to pay a (small) premium to support someone who provides that level of service. Would challenge you to find any of the big brands who will go that far out of their way when you haven't even committed to a purchase.
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Re: Closing our wallets
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2020, 08:23:09 AM »

@dt-second-hand-cricket
These would be more accurate comparisons as a bar one are from the same supplier...





Odd that they all seem around the same price or more expensive 😂
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Re: Closing our wallets
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2020, 08:24:23 AM »

fine - happy to admit from the information given i am wrong

my apologies for annoying people with what i though were genuine questions and concerns

@Jimbo your last post is the one that shows the difference as you say about the 'bespoked' service rather than 'off the self' buying

have deleted my posts as obviously as @WalkingWicket37 commented i know nothing - which i am happy to admit
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