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Chompy9760

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Delamination - when do you give up?
« on: October 14, 2020, 02:12:53 AM »

A bat I made seems to be always falling apart, and I'm wondering if there's anything else I could do, other than use it for firewood.

After I made it, it had 2-3 coats of oil, always had a scuff sheet of it, was well knocked, and never showed any seam marks.
A year on, I noticed a hollow sound while tapping the scuff with my fingers, and removal showed the wood peeling from itself in a narrow sheet.  It was glued with PVA, clamped, sanded, oiled and came up fine.
Every time I had a hit with it from then on (without a scuff), it would bring up more delamination.  Fix, repeat, same result.
Pictured below is one lot of delamination, which was repaired,


After yet another repair I faced 60 balls in the nets, and this is what it looks like.



I try hard to jam the slivers apart and push glue into the gaps with .9mm wire, but without breaking wood off it's hard to get glue deep into the seat of the crack, and the older glue jobs appear to be opening up as well as a heap of new ones.
What would you do?
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Re: Delamination - when do you give up?
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2020, 02:48:49 AM »

Yikes!!! :(
What kind of balls are you using in the nets?
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Re: Delamination - when do you give up?
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2020, 03:55:14 AM »

Wouldn't a scuff sheet take care of this, permanently?
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Re: Delamination - when do you give up?
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2020, 04:09:16 AM »

Yikes!!! :(
What kind of balls are you using in the nets?

In the top pic (and most of the time) old ex match balls, Kook tuff pitch, practice, bowled by my kids.  Pics 2 and 3 are after 60 x GN bowling machine balls.  Nothing my other bats don't handle x10 without a problem, and power hitting is not really my game :)

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Wouldn't a scuff sheet take care of this, permanently?
The original scuff didn't prevent damage, it just contained it.  As I tapped on the face of the bat with my fingers I could hear a hollow spot where the wood had lifted, yet the scuff was still firmly stuck to the face of the bat.
I was hoping to get things under control before putting another scuff on.
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Re: Delamination - when do you give up?
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2020, 05:32:55 AM »

That's happened with a B3 I once had.

Suggest you use a very sharp knife, run down the grains at the effective area, fill with super glue, premium brand, cover with baking paper, use the iron method (YouTube) then wack a fibre glass scuff on.
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Re: Delamination - when do you give up?
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2020, 10:16:03 AM »

Send it back to the maker!  :D
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Re: Delamination - when do you give up?
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2020, 11:00:04 AM »

Is that actually English willow? It looks super brittle. Personally I think it is a gonner. I mean you could repair it like the guys have said, but really it isn't going to be the same quality of bat.

Looks as if it has had loads of really awful bowling machine balls fired in on the half volley.
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Re: Delamination - when do you give up?
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2020, 11:32:54 AM »

Thanks for the tip Churchy.  Found the video - it looks do-able, and probably don't have much to lose other than a bit of superglue.

Buzz, yes is English willow.  It was a lightweight cleft compared to the others, so probably drier.  I tend to agree with you on the outcome of a repair, as it seems that once I fix it, it lifts up in another spot.  I've probably glued it 4 times, with PVA, but perhaps superglue will do a better job.

Honestly, it's only seen minimal bowling machine balls.  The marks you can see on the toe show up because it was sanded, oiled and waxed after the last repair.
Another bat I made at the same time from a more dense cleft has seen 1000's of bowling machine balls and shows zero damage.  I guess you never quite know how any piece of wood will react to impact.

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Re: Delamination - when do you give up?
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2020, 11:35:04 AM »

Send it back to the maker!  :D

I'm certainly glad I didn't make a hundred of them and sell them all over the world!  Who'd want to be a bat maker, eh? :D
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Re: Delamination - when do you give up?
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2020, 11:42:12 AM »

I don't think any bats are ever the same once repaired after delamination personally. However with it being a new bat I'd have given the repair a go.

The only suggestion I'd have is to use Gorilla Wood glue and a syringe to make sure you're getting into the cracks.....

Or just make another 😁
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Re: Delamination - when do you give up?
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2020, 03:36:16 PM »

All for repairing bats if possible Unless they are gone in shoulder or handle. I'd follow Churchys idea and the you tube video with the iron!

Could be coincidence but the only time I had this on my own bat it had the same red wood colour running thru it.

For that reason I buy white wood regardless of grains as it seems to dent rather than splinter like yours.
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Re: Delamination - when do you give up?
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2020, 08:24:08 PM »

Doesn't look like the typical delams I usually see so could be something to do with the actual wood.
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Re: Delamination - when do you give up?
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2020, 05:50:16 AM »

@Chompy9760

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=43853.0

Scroll down the page where my B3 had the same thing, I think it is the wood, but they couldn't be bothered to give me a new one so excited a fibreglass scuff over it.

Sold it to a kid at the club, he still uses it and his bombs.
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Re: Delamination - when do you give up?
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2020, 10:06:56 AM »

Its a drying issue I believe.
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Re: Delamination - when do you give up?
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2020, 10:16:25 AM »

It is an odd form of delamination for sure.  It appears that the grains aren't parallel with the face of the bat, so it peels up in thin wedges.

Churchy, thanks for the link.  It does look like similar damage to mine, so perhaps there's hope that mine can be repaired with a good outcome.
I'm off to buy some superglue :)
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