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Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #30 on:** November 18, 2020, 10:50:20 AM »

* Dancers move fluidly and fluently. Probably towards some kind of imagined targets, but I don't know enough about it. i used to live with a dancer; if I still did I could ask her.

SLA · « **Reply #31 on:** November 18, 2020, 10:54:50 AM »

Quote from: jdownesbcfc on November 17, 2020, 05:42:12 PM

Playing devils advocate here, but does anyone think training �technique� (certainly depending on age and experience the training is to be delivered to of course) is becoming less relevant in the modern game? More and more top level players are unorthodox in technique, and I am certainly of the belief we�ve trained quirks and difference out of a lot of talented cricketers in this country, as well as dismissing those with a technique that doesn�t fit with traditionalist views far too early in their careers.

No - if anything I think its more relevant than ever. T20 is a very technical game - you can't survive just as a canny medium pacer or spinner or a brave and patient nurdler. You have to be able to spin the ball, bowl and pace, and hit the ball hard - and you simply can't do that without an absolutely rock-solid technique.

SLA · « **Reply #32 on:** November 18, 2020, 10:59:26 AM »

Quote from: LEACHY48 on November 18, 2020, 09:27:58 AM

This is a stupid argument. It�s basic biomechanics, and a fairly basic premise of bowling, the more of your body mass and momentum you can get going towards the target, the better. For example, If your head falls over to the offside when you bat then you�ll get out a lot, if your head falls over when you bowl, you�ll bowl a lot of rubbish.

Dancers aren�t trying to release a ball in a straight line, footballers don�t run in a straight line so they can give themselves access to a stationary ball and creat a swing arc with their foot, not something relevant to bowling again.

Run-up and alignment at the crease are totally different things - you can run up at 45 degrees and still be perfectly aligned through your bowling action. A bowling action is not linear - it involves several rotating components, including the hips and the shoulders.

A straight run up isn't massively important for pace bowlers, but its especially irrelevant for spinners.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #33 on:** November 18, 2020, 11:13:55 AM »

Quote from: SLA on November 18, 2020, 10:59:26 AM

Run-up and alignment at the crease are totally different things - you can run up at 45 degrees and still be perfectly aligned through your bowling action. A bowling action is not linear - it involves several rotating components, including the hips and the shoulders.

A straight run up isn't massively important for pace bowlers, but its especially irrelevant for spinners.

Spot on. Thank you.

Butterfingerz · « **Reply #34 on:** November 18, 2020, 12:40:56 PM »

Quote from: LEACHY48 on November 18, 2020, 09:52:59 AM

When your back foot pushes off towards the target what happens? Your body mass and momentum travels down the pitch towards the target. However you achieve that is irrelevant. Run in spinning if you want to, but at the time of delivery you have to be going towards your target.

But again, dancers aren�t pushing anything towards a target.

You�ve just reaffirmed my point and the point that the level 2 is trying to install, the more of you thy goes towards the target, the better. Yes some kids might want to run in from mid off because they want to be Ryan sidebottom, but generally a straighter run up makes it easier to plant your back foot and get your momentum towards the target.

You�re taking issue with the sentiment of run in straight, when it�s actually trying to achieve the same end goal that you have just admitted is important.

Leachy, I agree however lets remember that Sid's is left handed and so the angle changes but the principal stays the same, and like the footballer is then asking the ball to swing to get to its intended destination.

Bats, Lets think, if I run in at an angle, by the time I arrive at the crease my body now need to change direction to get to straight. My arms now need to clear my hip ( my right hip - if right handed) and my hips are now locked behind straight. This will mean I now need to over compensate and as such reduce the continuity of action. My coaching method is to keep the action as simple as possible that way less can go wrong. This method certainly breeds results.

LEACHY48 · « **Reply #35 on:** November 18, 2020, 12:51:49 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 18, 2020, 10:59:26 AM

Run-up and alignment at the crease are totally different things - you can run up at 45 degrees and still be perfectly aligned through your bowling action. A bowling action is not linear - it involves several rotating components, including the hips and the shoulders.

A straight run up isn't massively important for pace bowlers, but its especially irrelevant for spinners.

I never said you cannot have good alignment with a wonky runup, read my post again.

I said a straighter run up often makes it easier to have good alignment at the crease. But it is equally possible regardless of your Run up, as I said before.

LEACHY48 · « **Reply #36 on:** November 18, 2020, 12:56:23 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on November 18, 2020, 11:13:55 AM

Spot on. Thank you.

Are you seriously trying to argue that it would be as easy to maintain good alignment if you ran in on a diagonal in line with cover as it would be running in conventionally?

No, of course your not, that would be unfathomably stupid.

What the course is trying to teach is some absolute basic coaching cues that could help break it down into bite size chunks for kids or struggling cricketers.

One of those basic cues is, straighten your run up as it will be easier to maintain good alignment.

I can�t believe I�m having to justify this basic point 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

SLA · « **Reply #37 on:** November 18, 2020, 01:35:18 PM »

Quote from: LEACHY48 on November 18, 2020, 12:56:23 PM

Are you seriously trying to argue that it would be as easy to maintain good alignment if you ran in on a diagonal in line with cover as it would be running in conventionally?

No, of course your not, that would be unfathomably stupid.

What the course is trying to teach is some absolute basic coaching cues that could help break it down into bite size chunks for kids or struggling cricketers.

One of those basic cues is, straighten your run up as it will be easier to maintain good alignment.

I can�t believe I�m having to justify this basic point 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

There's a difference between identifying a technical problem and fixing it, and being overly-prescriptive in the first place.

If - and only if - a player is struggling to maintain good alignment through the action because they have a surplus of lateral momentum, then first I'd look at the bound (as a lot of bowlers run up straight and then jump in towards the stumps) and as a last resort I'd look at the run up itself.

However it fundamentally unnecessary and almost always counterproductive to force young bowlers to conform to a straighter run-up from the get go. Just let them run-up however feels natural.

The are a variety of technical must-haves that pretty much every player that reaches professional cricket conforms to, but a straight run-up is not one of them.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #38 on:** November 18, 2020, 01:56:48 PM »

If you are trying to get side-on and your back foot square/ parallel to the bowling crease,then angling a run up can help create better alignment, yes. Because you are not having to turn 90 degrees at the critical point in the process. Traditional coaching books would actually encourage an angled run.

The 'run in straight' thing is massively simplistic and will be laughed at in ten years time, mark my words. Already I see professional cricket moving away from it.

But I understand, for now, I am going against modern convention, and don't expect to win the argument here.

cricketbadger · « **Reply #39 on:** November 18, 2020, 06:13:26 PM »

Sounds like we have a few candidates for Englands next fast bowling coach.

My 2 pence for what it's worth, there is no right or wrong way to coach. Coaches wanna use cones for bowlers and their run ups, fine by me if it works or theres reasoning for it. I've used them in the past and still do for some youngsters as I find a visual aid helps them. That line of cones wont necessarily be dead straight though, for example if the bowler comes in on an angle already, the cones may be used on an angle still

I myself spend a lot of time researching other coaches and their methods and ideas on bowling especially, as its something I feel I lack knowledge in with not being a quickie myself. Especially the blokes I work with who have more experience than me and in some cases are more qualified

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #40 on:** November 18, 2020, 06:24:28 PM »

It's people with seemingly not a lot of real knowledge imposing things they've learned on a six-week crash course, in a regimented way, that I object to more than anything else.

Not really about me having a passionate belief in angled run-ups!

cricketbadger · « **Reply #41 on:** November 18, 2020, 06:45:11 PM »

I know what you mean, those coaches have to make a start somewhere though. You would hope and think their methods and ideologies would change over time

LEACHY48 · « **Reply #42 on:** November 18, 2020, 07:06:33 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on November 18, 2020, 06:24:28 PM

It's people with seemingly not a lot of real knowledge imposing things they've learned on a six-week crash course in a regimented way that I object to more than anything else.

Not really about me having a passionate belief in angled run-ups!

I totally agree that the level 2 does not really qualify you to properly coach people. Takes a lot more than that and as other have said the ideologies have to adapt over time.

SLA · « **Reply #43 on:** November 18, 2020, 07:35:26 PM »

Quote from: cricketbadger on November 18, 2020, 06:13:26 PM

Sounds like we have a few candidates for Englands next fast bowling coach.

My 2 pence for what it's worth, there is no right or wrong way to coach.

I'm not sure about that. If you take a keen, promising kid and interfere to the point where you ruin their technique, destroy their confidence, and drive them out of the game, I'd say that was quite definitely the "wrong way to coach".

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #44 on:** November 19, 2020, 10:56:40 AM »

If only this fella had known what he was doing...

https://youtu.be/AQg4RUETbz0

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