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Re: SA vs Eng series
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2020, 07:45:50 AM »

I'm always surprised that the batting line up is so set and rigid. Can't they just judge the situation and move 3-7 around as is needed. I'd have Root around the squad - let's not forget his opening over in the final last time!
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Re: SA vs Eng series
« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2020, 09:31:08 AM »

I'm always surprised that the batting line up is so set and rigid. Can't they just judge the situation and move 3-7 around as is needed. I'd have Root around the squad - let's not forget his opening over in the final last time!

Not every batsmen can deal with this added uncertainty given their own rituals which also feed into performance.
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Re: SA vs Eng series
« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2020, 01:21:26 PM »

Let's be clear.. Root is not in the same league as Williamson (Smith or Kohli). To compare Root now to them is daft.
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Re: SA vs Eng series
« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2020, 01:24:03 PM »

Let's be clear.. Root is not in the same league as Williamson (Smith or Kohli). To compare Root now to them is daft.

In Tests, yes I'd agree. In ODI, Root deserves to be in the same league as Smith and Williamson, Kohli is on another level. In T20s, much the same, Smith Root and Williamson on a rough level, Kohli a class above.
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Re: SA vs Eng series
« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2020, 01:35:02 PM »

In Tests, yes I'd agree. In ODI, Root deserves to be in the same league as Smith and Williamson, Kohli is on another level. In T20s, much the same, Smith Root and Williamson on a rough level, Kohli a class above.

NZ don't have the depth of hitters that England do and T20 is about hitting. England have Bairstow, Roy, Buttler, Morgan, Stokes, Banton et all who are far better hitters. Leave Root to focus on Tests and ODI's and get his technique/mentality back to 50+ test avg levels and uncompromised by T20
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Re: SA vs Eng series
« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2020, 01:52:07 PM »

We'd be walking the T20 World Cup right now with this side
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Re: SA vs Eng series
« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2020, 02:10:43 PM »

NZ don't have the depth of hitters that England do and T20 is about hitting. England have Bairstow, Roy, Buttler, Morgan, Stokes, Banton et all who are far better hitters. Leave Root to focus on Tests and ODI's and get his technique/mentality back to 50+ test avg levels and uncompromised by T20

Imo it's not all about hitting, but we've got lots of them as you say. There will be times when wickets don't allow people to just tee off and what Root does well is rotates without getting bogged down.

I agree with leaving him to tests tho personally, but to say he can't or shouldn't play T20 as he's not a hitter is a touch misguided for me.
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Re: SA vs Eng series
« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2020, 03:14:41 PM »

Root wouldnt be too bad on a turning track   ;)
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Re: SA vs Eng series
« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2020, 04:14:31 PM »

Some dubious captaincy there from De Kock, never quite looked in control or that they had set plans to bowl to.

Also could have won the match with the Morgan chance that went above/through him, didnt look like he got off the ground. Would expect a half decent club keeper to take that!
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Re: SA vs Eng series
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2020, 04:16:29 PM »

Root is up there with the best against spin, certainly our best.

Malan showing again how good he is, sawn off in the tests he's becoming invaluable in the short form.
We are a very good side at the moment, it's like a dream for those of us that were permanently sad during the 90's
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Re: SA vs Eng series
« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2020, 04:26:04 PM »

This is a SA side bereft of alot of their best talent so im not pinning too much on these wins in the grand scheme of things.

I still think this England side has a way to go to get to the consistent levels of the 50 over side building up to the 2019 WC. Every player knew their roles perfectly and most were contenders for the best in the world in their position. I dont feel this about this 20 over side so far and definitely not clear favorites for the WC.
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Re: SA vs Eng series
« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2020, 04:34:32 PM »

This is a SA side bereft of alot of their best talent so im not pinning too much on these wins in the grand scheme of things.

I still think this England side has a way to go to get to the consistent levels of the 50 over side building up to the 2019 WC. Every player knew their roles perfectly and most were contenders for the best in the world in their position. I dont feel this about this 20 over side so far and definitely not clear favorites for the WC.

Totally right we are far from favourites in sub continent conditions. Aside from a test series win against India thanks to one if not the best innings I've seen from KP it's been our Achilles heel for years.

I do think we need to start thinking all the top 6 need to play spin well to progress.
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Re: SA vs Eng series
« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2020, 07:35:02 PM »

Surprised to see people writing odd Root.  Certainly feel he has a role to play in tournament played in India.  The like a of Kholi, Williamson and Babar Azam show that you don't need to be be a huge hitter to be successful
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Re: SA vs Eng series
« Reply #43 on: November 30, 2020, 06:14:10 AM »

Some dubious captaincy there from De Kock, never quite looked in control or that they had set plans to bowl to.

Also could have won the match with the Morgan chance that went above/through him, didnt look like he got off the ground. Would expect a half decent club keeper to take that!

Yep - its a game of small margins!  England took all (?) their chances today and SA outright spilled (Rabada drop early on) or couldn't convert theirs (edges flying out of reach behind for 4, leading edges popping into no-man's land, de Kock glove tickle for 4, de Kock going wrong way a few balls later with an edge for 4 ...

Even the other night that Hendricks over was more a choke after he started with 5 wides and ended up bowling a 9 ball over than outright manufactured brilliance. Without that it would have been closer as well.

On paper England should be thrashing the SAFFAs so not all is right at the moment. 

England will win the final T20 as SA does not have the fire power, but the result needs to show a marked improvement or there will be doubts about the trajectory of this T20 team looking towards next year ...
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Re: SA vs Eng series
« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2020, 08:40:51 PM »

Root gets in my T20 side every day of the week.

T20 seems a lot more chance based than other forms. Feels more like roulette to me, I must admit,  but I hope we do well in the world cup!
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