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Who's your sports personality of the year?

Stuart Broad
- 5 (16.7%)
Hollie Doyle
- 1 (3.3%)
Tyson Fury
- 11 (36.7%)
Lewis Hamilton
- 12 (40%)
Jordan Henderson
- 1 (3.3%)
Ronnie O'Sullivan
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 30

Voting closed: December 21, 2020, 09:09:02 PM

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Re: Stuart Broad - Shortlisted for Sports Personality of the Year 2020
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2020, 09:43:05 PM »

Or has his car?

My issue with voting for Hamilton is, odious hypocrite is not my kind of sporting personality...

It's really easy to say he has the best car but so did Schumacher at Ferrari and  people consider him the goat (that's my issue with the car line) but yes I would agree with his "personality" being a little bit marmite to be very pc about it
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Re: Stuart Broad - Shortlisted for Sports Personality of the Year 2020
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2020, 10:37:42 PM »

It's really easy to say he has the best car but so did Schumacher at Ferrari and  people consider him the goat (that's my issue with the car line) but yes I would agree with his "personality" being a little bit marmite to be very pc about it

Slightly off topic, but Schumacher's brilliance was in being able to win when he first went to Ferrari in a car which wasn't competitive. 
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Re: Stuart Broad - Shortlisted for Sports Personality of the Year 2020
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2020, 10:05:12 AM »

Aaaah the monthly "Is Hamilton only there because of the car" discussion.

Of course he is. Every F1 great ever was. Hamilton has beaten almost every teammate of his. Rosberg beat him and it took a massiv toll on him so much that he said he's quitting F1 the very year Rosberg became champion. Hamilton, in a year in which he beat records for most wins, most titles and could have gotten 100 pole positions if he hadn't tested covid positive, has to be the sports personality of the year.
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Re: Stuart Broad - Shortlisted for Sports Personality of the Year 2020
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2020, 12:18:54 PM »

Slightly off topic, but Schumacher's brilliance was in being able to win when he first went to Ferrari in a car which wasn't competitive.

Don't forget 2 world titles in a Benetton widely regarded as nowhere near the level of the Williams car at the time, and in 1994 especially, one that 3 teammates (including accomplished drivers Jos Verstappen and Johnny Herbert) found near impossible to keep in a straight line.

Even his debut in a terrible Jordan car on a circuit he had never driven before was notable. He managed to qualify 7th, classic early Jordan reliability problems ended his race on lap 1 but he sent ripples round the F1 world with his qualifying performance. Enough for Benetton to sign him immediately.

He finished 3rd (and ahead of Ayrton Senna) in the 92 championship in a Benetton that was so far behind other front running teams, especially Williams, in terms of active suspension, ABS, traction control systems and gearboxes that it may as well as have been in a different race category. That year there were unofficial references to a two tier championship with many teams running V10 or V12 engines as well as some using the above mentioned aids. The Benetton ran a conventional V8 and none of the new driver aids.

Yes he had everything set up exactly the way he wanted it at Ferrari between 99 and 04, but that machine did not drive itself to break virtually all records. Eddie Irvine did a sterling job as a a teammate, as did Barrichello later, but neither got anywhere near the same out of the car as Schumi did. He was relentless, some say robotic, but it cannot be argued he was not a truly world class driver. I remember the very moment I knew he was different. Commentators picked up on how he had locked up going into a corner, and had the presence of mind in the nanoseconds between a small hiccup becoming a big issue or even a crash, to let the brakes off and allow the tyre to rotate again. Even though he lost time in the corner, he didn't have a huge flat spot that would cost him dear later in the race. Multiple other drivers were shown on the replays ploughing through the same corner with 1 or more wheels locked up for dozens of metres, all had to come in for new tyres earlier than planned.

In agreement with your point, between 1996 and 1998 his Ferrari was inferior to other teams, especially Williams and Mclaren, but he managed to accumulate more wins for Ferrari in 1996 than the team had managed in the entirety of the 90s up to that point, which is remarkable considering the car was incredibly unreliable and he didn't finish 6 races due to breakdowns.

His career spanned the eras of some of the best drivers of moderns times, and largely he saw away all comers. Hill, Villeneuve, Alonso, Hakkinen, Raikkonen and Montoya are some of the most talented drivers I've seen in my lifetime.

There were accusations of illegal car setups sure, notably the unproven claims about the traction control and launch systems on the 94 Benneton. But what goes around comes around, in the late 90s Mclarens infamous second brake pedal came to notoriety and propelled Hakkinen on his trajectory to 2 world titles. I'm sure Ferrari/Schumacher felt the extra pedal was just as unfair as other teams thought his 94 Benetton was.

If not obvious by now, I am a huge Schumacher fan.  :D

Hamilton is not to everyone's taste, but it has been consistently shown that sports personality is not about personality at all, simply sporting achievement. It has to be Hamilton.
Ronnie has reached some very significant milestones in similar fashion to Lewis in the past year, and I would love for a snooker player to be recognised, especially THE snooker player of my time. Equally I cannot comprehend Tyson Furys journey back to the top, it seems impossible. This makes him a true great in my eyes, whether a super fight to unify all the belts ever happens or not, he's already achieved far more than anyone thought when he was pictured a few years ago looking like a small planet.

All that being said, it HAS to be Hamilton. Mansell and Hill won it in the 90's (Hill twice!) and Lewis has eclipsed both of their achievements combined.

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Re: Stuart Broad - Shortlisted for Sports Personality of the Year 2020
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2020, 01:31:38 PM »

Hamiltons Mercedes era 2014-2020 the car has a 79% win rate.
Schumachers ferrari era 2000-2004 the car had a 61% win rate.

Schumacher was winning races with manuel gearboxes, even winning in Barcelona when stuck in fifth gear.

Hamilton lost to two of the most average champions in Button and Rosberg. And has merely been padding his stats against a pathetic Bottas.
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Re: Stuart Broad - Shortlisted for Sports Personality of the Year 2020
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2020, 02:00:54 PM »

Has Schumacher replaced Fury in the nominations then?
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Re: Stuart Broad - Shortlisted for Sports Personality of the Year 2020
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2020, 02:34:08 PM »

The winner of the award should be Fury or Broad. Driving a car and getting the award is plain and simple embarrassing.
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Re: Stuart Broad - Shortlisted for Sports Personality of the Year 2020
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2020, 03:03:42 PM »

The winner of the award should be Fury or Broad. Driving a car and getting the award is plain and simple embarrassing.

Umm Jeff.... My vote would go to Fury but he don't want it  :) the dedication and training of boxing interests me,the sacrifices and getting into the absolute peak physical and mental condition.

But Hamilton is not just driving a car, surely that's tongue in cheek.

Anyone who has not seen Senna the documentary film please watch it it's amazing.

That's you too Jeff  :) :)
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Re: Stuart Broad - Shortlisted for Sports Personality of the Year 2020
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2020, 03:24:32 PM »

has to be the sports personality of the year.

Sorry, I just don't see it.  On achievements, he's done a secure job in very favourable circumstances in a year when Fury destroyed a guy most people thought was made of stone, Hollie Doyle broke down numerous barriers and Broad was exceptional.  But I do believe that SPOTY includes personality, and in a year when so many sportspeople have been positive forces in the wider world (NB - I am amazed Marcus Rashford has not been nominated), I just cannot stomach his rank hypocrisy.
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Re: Stuart Broad - Shortlisted for Sports Personality of the Year 2020
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2020, 03:43:25 PM »

I can't believe Fury is even an option given the stuff he has said. Great boxer, terrible personality. Hamilton should win but would be happy with anyone other than Fury.
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Re: Stuart Broad - Shortlisted for Sports Personality of the Year 2020
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2020, 05:27:39 PM »

Sports personality of the year has nothing to do with personality. If it had there is no way Andy Murray would ever have been nominated, let alone win it. I dont think any of the nominees have much personality except for Ronnie. Therefore I would vote for the woman. I dont know who she is or what she does, but she must be better than the sorry list of personality vacuums the BBC routinely dredge up.
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Re: Stuart Broad - Shortlisted for Sports Personality of the Year 2020
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2020, 05:59:32 PM »

Sorry, I just don't see it.  On achievements, he's done a secure job in very favourable circumstances in a year when Fury destroyed a guy most people thought was made of stone, Hollie Doyle broke down numerous barriers and Broad was exceptional.  But I do believe that SPOTY includes personality, and in a year when so many sportspeople have been positive forces in the wider world (NB - I am amazed Marcus Rashford has not been nominated), I just cannot stomach his rank hypocrisy.

Rashford is getting a different accolade. They have said that the main award is for sporting achievements over the course of the year, and as such he hasnt done enough in a sporting sense to be nominated.
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Re: Stuart Broad - Shortlisted for Sports Personality of the Year 2020
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2020, 10:31:26 PM »

So Hamilton won it. But nice to see Rashford's plight recognised.
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