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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2020, 01:07:01 PM »

I'm a fan of Dan Lawrence. And I'm often critical of people using averages to make a point...

But JB's Test average is the same as Lawrence's in first-class.

Some of the hatred aimed at him is way over the top.



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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2020, 01:16:44 PM »

I've also watched a lot of Ben Foakes. He's good, but he's not God. He seems to have become a fashionable way for people to make thenselves look like they really know cricket.
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2020, 01:24:04 PM »

I've also watched a lot of Ben Foakes. He's good, but he's not God. He seems to have become a fashionable way for people to make thenselves look like they really know cricket.

No, but he is the best keeper of his generation.  I get that there were some signs in his batting that suggested pace at the body would be a real issue, but there is a really important point that your keeper has to firstly catch everything that comes his way (and maybe make the occasional something out of nothing dismissal).  Foakes does this.  Buttler shells way too many straightforward chances.
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2020, 01:31:40 PM »

I'm not even suggesting that he shouldn't be in the side. But people do jump on bandwagons.

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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2020, 01:38:18 PM »

Didn't I recently hear it said that Buttler went two years without dropping a catch for England?
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2020, 01:42:58 PM »

Didn't I recently hear it said that Buttler went two years without dropping a catch for England?

I hadn't heard that - though oddly in white ball I might believe it, as he seems sharper there. 
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2020, 01:44:28 PM »

I've also watched a lot of Ben Foakes. He's good, but he's not God. He seems to have become a fashionable way for people to make thenselves look like they really know cricket.

Hes by far the best keeper we have had since Russell, but you also get a good batsman as well so hes not a specialist keeper as such...

When we are playing against spin you can see a natural keeper and those that are batsmen first and keepers second, like both Butler and Bairstow.

We have a lengthy tour in India next year and the best keeper helps us win games I think.

Against spin keeping really is an art for the purists amoung us.
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2020, 01:44:41 PM »

I'm not even suggesting that he shouldn't be in the side. But people do jump on bandwagons.
Do you think people have been unfair to Jonny Bairstow?

He has certainly had plenty of opportunities. There are a number of players within the England set up that can do no wrong. The other JB being another 'golden' child.

There is plenty of evidence to say that both JB's are excellent one day players but the jury is still out on them as long term test match players. I don't think anyone is suggesting that Foakes is God but he is definitely England's best wicket keeper and a capable batsman.

I don't have any strong opinions on Jonny Bairstow being recall.

In your opinion who do you think should among the batsmen chosen for the touring party @Bats_Entertainment ?

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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2020, 01:51:53 PM »

No, but he is the best keeper of his generation.

If he's the best keeper and can average 35 then that's good enough. Bairstow averages 35??? maybe less.. isn't a good keeper.. I'm not really sure what he's offering.. It would be better to accept he's had his many chances and give other players (Denly will never be much but maybe deserves another go before him, Lawrence (again, won't be anything special but if he even averages 35 it's no loss either) or Dent... or Bracey ... give these guys a run rather than turning back to known failures
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2020, 01:52:58 PM »

I hadn't heard that - though oddly in white ball I might believe it, as he seems sharper there.

totally different keeping in white ball to tests.. especially in Asia (he says having never really kept wicket :( )
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2020, 02:09:34 PM »

I've also watched a lot of Ben Foakes. He's good, but he's not God. He seems to have become a fashionable way for people to make thenselves look like they really know cricket.

Is it really jumping on a bandwagon when hes the best keeper of his time, and averages over 40 with the bat? The bloke saved us in SL and kept brilliantly then got dropped for his troubles 😂
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2020, 02:16:10 PM »

If he's the best keeper and can average 35 then that's good enough. Bairstow averages 35??? maybe less.. isn't a good keeper.. I'm not really sure what he's offering.. It would be better to accept he's had his many chances and give other players (Denly will never be much but maybe deserves another go before him, Lawrence (again, won't be anything special but if he even averages 35 it's no loss either) or Dent... or Bracey ... give these guys a run rather than turning back to known failures

Lawrence won't be anything special? At 23 - he's got 10 first class hundreds from 74 FC games, has been part of 2 County Champs winning teams, averages 38 in FC cricket since debut and has shown some serious promise on the England Lions tours. Think it's a bit premature to declare that he "won't be anything special".
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2020, 02:17:07 PM »

Didn't I recently hear it said that Buttler went two years without dropping a catch for England?

Probably in white ball cricket, because he had a howler at Old Trafford against Pakistan and dropped several
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2020, 02:17:22 PM »

cant believe people writing off Lawrence lol

damn tough task masters  :o
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2020, 02:20:25 PM »

Why haven't they taken enough batsmen? Only two who normally bat in the top 3, and the only batting backup in the main squad is Foakes. And then six reserve bowlers and one batsman. Fair enough it's only a two test series, but the practice games should be comically low scoring.

Pretty easy to guess the side (if not the order) given Broad and Anderson won't have been taken for a holiday:
1 Sibley
2 Crawley
3 Bairstow
4 Root
5 Lawrence
6 Moeen
7 Buttler
8 Bess
9 Broad
10 Leach
11 Anderson

On Bairstow... not a totally unreasonable selection given Stokes/Pope both unavailable, but what a kick in the teeth for any county top 3 player who'd been dreaming of a callup.
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