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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #135 on: January 14, 2021, 11:28:43 AM »

Think that depends on the balance of the side. If Curran/Woakes and Stokes are playing then Bess' batting isn't quite so important. Leach is clearly a much superior bowler at the minute and he's not useless with the bat nor is he an awful fielder in the style of Panesar.

I also think who the seamers are is a factor. If we have some of our more injury prone combinations, the fact that Leach can reliably block up an end in a way Bess cannot has to be a factor - especially somewhere like Oz where there is precious little help.
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #136 on: January 14, 2021, 01:09:31 PM »

Think that depends on the balance of the side. If Curran/Woakes and Stokes are playing then Bess' batting isn't quite so important. Leach is clearly a much superior bowler at the minute and he's not useless with the bat nor is he an awful fielder in the style of Panesar.

I would prefer to see us play the better bowler- as I did did England were picking Ali when his bowling was a work in progress- but being realistic, just as the wicket keeper is viewed by his batting, England have been leaning this way for a while with the selection of the front line spinner
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #137 on: January 14, 2021, 01:12:31 PM »

Root is such a wonderful player to watch

I do feel that he gets slightly unfair treatment in England for a guy who sits 7th in our all time test runs scorers with a better average and having played less games than anyone else in the top 10.  No doubt he would like to have converted more of those 50s but his consistency in posting a score is very high and he is always a great player to watch batting
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #138 on: January 14, 2021, 02:44:42 PM »

Not to jinx the fella, but I assume Moeen and Rashid would be superior to Bess?

My plan worked!  ;) I had a big role in that 5-for.  :D
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #139 on: January 14, 2021, 02:55:35 PM »

I do feel that he gets slightly unfair treatment in England for a guy who sits 7th in our all time test runs scorers with a better average and having played less games than anyone else in the top 10.  No doubt he would like to have converted more of those 50s but his consistency in posting a score is very high and he is always a great player to watch batting

I was thinking about root today along similar lines, but I kept coming back to his status within the big 4/5 players, kept coming back to 50s dont win you matches, 100s do. Williamson, Smith and Kohli will win countless games for their side, and everyone knows Root is capable of the same, but he hasnt showed that in a fair while now. Thats what makes him so frustrating for England fans I think.

But, not doubt a great player to watch and immensely talented
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #140 on: January 14, 2021, 04:49:12 PM »

I do feel that he gets slightly unfair treatment in England for a guy who sits 7th in our all time test runs scorers with a better average and having played less games than anyone else in the top 10.  No doubt he would like to have converted more of those 50s but his consistency in posting a score is very high and he is always a great player to watch batting

Unfair treatment from whom?

Most England fans love Root! I dont think hes a natural skipper but as a batsman his Test and ODI record sits comfortably with any Englishman in the last 30 years. Just one thing - more hundreds please!
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #141 on: January 14, 2021, 05:15:14 PM »

@LEACHY48 and @alba caerulea  have got it same as I think. Fab player, as good as we have had for years and still only 30 so maybe another 5 years of an England career. Gooch, KP,Cook,Root in no particular order.

I certainly want him to be up there with the best in the world and he hasn't shown that since being made Captain, if we could go back I wish someone else got the job so he can concentrate on getting big runs.

His conversion from 50 to 100 is no where near good enough to be at the top, the big 3 are quite a long way out in front.

Still a fabulous player in tests and 50 over cricket, these guys at the top set a very high bar indeed and Root is not up there with them.

I just hope we don't look back in a few years and regret holding back our best talent just so he could skipper the side-Captain is an important job but over estimated in the modern game IMO.
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #142 on: January 14, 2021, 05:35:21 PM »

I'd agree about his conversion rate in tests, in ODIs however I think Root's record stands up to just about everyone bar Kohli.
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #143 on: January 14, 2021, 05:39:05 PM »

Maybe I've a hunch but if he does get 3 figures tomorrow you'd hope it's the start of a monster year for him instead of 50-70 and out, would love to see some of those big scores like 2015-16
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #144 on: January 14, 2021, 05:39:52 PM »

I'd agree about his conversion rate in tests, in ODIs however I think Root's record stands up to just about everyone bar Kohli.

Totally right, he enjoys playing under Morgan who he has huge respect for.

Is it a coincidence he just has to work out how to pace the innings without any other decisions to be made I wonder.
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #145 on: January 14, 2021, 06:22:37 PM »

I was thinking about root today along similar lines, but I kept coming back to his status within the big 4/5 players, kept coming back to 50s dont win you matches, 100s do. Williamson, Smith and Kohli will win countless games for their side, and everyone knows Root is capable of the same, but he hasnt showed that in a fair while now. Thats what makes him so frustrating for England fans I think.

But, not doubt a great player to watch and immensely talented

Hes not a natural captain. I think he would thrive if relieved of captaincy burden so he can just go into his bubble and accumulate masses of runs. Obviously thats not possible if no viable alternative.
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #146 on: January 14, 2021, 06:25:29 PM »

Hes not a natural captain. I think he would thrive if relieved of captaincy burden so he can just go into his bubble and accumulate masses of runs. Obviously thats not possible if no viable alternative.

 Not disagreeing with that mate, I think giving him the captaincy was a terrible idea.

I just think he needs to find a way to win England games if hes going to be considered truly great.
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #147 on: January 14, 2021, 06:30:46 PM »

Totally right, he enjoys playing under Morgan who he has huge respect for.

Is it a coincidence he just has to work out how to pace the innings without any other decisions to be made I wonder.

I think it's because he's very much a modern batsman, he likes to keep the score ticking over and doesn't do well with getting stuck on a score for long. Brilliant in ODIs, less so in Tests while still being very good.
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #148 on: January 15, 2021, 06:11:17 AM »

Bairstow gone to a nice delivery and decent catch. The bowling to Lawrence since then has been very friendly, 3 full tosses and counting
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #149 on: January 15, 2021, 06:48:04 AM »

Lawrence makes me want an Icon.  ;)
I also really wish Root used someone other than NB, and went back to GM or something. I'm not saying that his runs would look better with a different bat, but his runs would totally look better with a classier bat.  :D :D
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