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Sitonit

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Kohli's profile
« on: December 17, 2020, 06:06:23 PM »


There are quite a few bats marketed under the tag of "Kohli's profile", sending the buyer into a fantasy as if playing with a "Kohli's profile" bat will make you play like Kohli.

But the funny thing is, I haven't actually seen a "Kohli's profile" bat in the market that looks like his bat profile.

It looks as if there is at least 5 inches from bottom up, before the sweet spot even begins. Or may be he is playing with a high middle since it's Australia?

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Re: Kohli's profile
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2020, 06:25:21 PM »

there are variations of the profile and true that he would go for slight higher middle and lighter bat for Australia.
This particular one in picture is good for kohli but will not work for majority of customer base who wants lower middle and needs longer sweet spot, after all they are not kohli :)
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Re: Kohli's profile
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2020, 06:57:37 PM »

Best of luck to any club player in Northern England who uses that shape in April!
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Re: Kohli's profile
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2020, 07:00:35 PM »

Shape of bat has a totally negligible effect on bat performance. Your playing area will remain the same on any bat as long as its pressed well.

That shape looks lovely and will no doubt pick up fantastically
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Re: Kohli's profile
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2020, 07:06:39 PM »

Shape of bat has a totally negligible effect on bat performance. Your playing area will remain the same on any bat as long as its pressed well.

That shape looks lovely and will no doubt pick up fantastically

Exactly- shape only affects pickup and feel. Aldred has a video on this topic too.
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Re: Kohli's profile
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2020, 07:17:40 PM »

Exactly- shape only affects pickup and feel. Aldred has a video on this topic too.

I have seen that video, but one must remember that he is a business trying to sell bats with a reputation for delivering a bat that is heavier than the customer asks for.

He is right insofar as the higher the distribution of the wood  in the bat, the lighter it will pick up for its weight.  He omits to mention though that you lose force by doing this.

Thing of it like a sledge hammer.  If you hold it by the handle, it picks up fairly heavy.  Turn it around and pick it up by the head and it will feel a lot lighter even though the deadweight remains the same.  You will be there a long time though trying to knock a wall down with it holding it that way.  The job of a sledgehammer isn't to pick up light for its weight
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Re: Kohli's profile
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2020, 07:49:48 PM »

Kohli's profile changes from time to time - I think in a video he said he likes to make little tweaks to the bats? (Could have been his way of sweeping the fact that he had a massive envelope of stickers in his bag under the carpet)





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Re: Kohli's profile
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2020, 09:26:24 PM »

Exactly- shape only affects pickup and feel. Aldred has a video on this topic too.

Case in point, one of the best bats Ive ever owned was an M&H original high, that pinged from just above the toe all the way up to the stickers, huge coverage with minimal wood in comparison to todays profiles and all of it up high on the bat
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Re: Kohli's profile
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2020, 09:30:37 PM »

Hanif has a video of a BDM in the Kohli shape from when he is in AUS, it has the same higher middle - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp8Pv5Za4Ls

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Re: Kohli's profile
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2020, 09:31:13 PM »

I have seen that video, but one must remember that he is a business trying to sell bats with a reputation for delivering a bat that is heavier than the customer asks for.

He is right insofar as the higher the distribution of the wood  in the bat, the lighter it will pick up for its weight.  He omits to mention though that you lose force by doing this.

Thing of it like a sledge hammer.  If you hold it by the handle, it picks up fairly heavy.  Turn it around and pick it up by the head and it will feel a lot lighter even though the deadweight remains the same.  You will be there a long time though trying to knock a wall down with it holding it that way.  The job of a sledgehammer isn't to pick up light for its weight

A cricket bat has different metrics to a sledge hammer though. Otherwise, everyone would go out to bat with a bat shaped like the nemesis or the mongoose. Neither of which caught on. Also, pretty much every pro player that Ive seen uses a bat with the majority of the wood in the mid, or mid-high area of the hitting zone. The loss of force you mention wont have an impact on a bats ability to perform well and hit the ball to the boundary.
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Re: Kohli's profile
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2020, 09:35:13 PM »

A cricket bat has different metrics to a sledge hammer though. Otherwise, everyone would go out to bat with a bat shaped like the nemesis or the mongoose. Neither of which caught on. Also, pretty much every pro player that Ive seen uses a bat with the majority of the wood in the mid, or mid-high area of the hitting zone. The loss of force you mention wont have an impact on a bats ability to perform well and hit the ball to the boundary.

Does that not have a lot to do with pro players playing mainly on good quality wickets with comparatively good pace and carry, and against bowlers who bowl mainly over 80mph?
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Re: Kohli's profile
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2020, 09:38:41 PM »

Shape of bat has a totally negligible effect on bat performance. Your playing area will remain the same on any bat as long as its pressed well.

That shape looks lovely and will no doubt pick up fantastically

If thats the case why arent bats a uniform size all the way down the blade like a paddle, or the profile reversed with all the weight at the top to make them pickup lighter?

I agree that pressing has a big part to play but certainly not sure the shape has a totally negligible effect on performance at all.
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Re: Kohli's profile
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2020, 09:52:18 PM »

A cricket bat has different metrics to a sledge hammer though. Otherwise, everyone would go out to bat with a bat shaped like the nemesis or the mongoose. Neither of which caught on. Also, pretty much every pro player that Ive seen uses a bat with the majority of the wood in the mid, or mid-high area of the hitting zone. The loss of force you mention wont have an impact on a bats ability to perform well and hit the ball to the boundary.

I can fully understand why Kholi playing on the hard bouncy  pitches in Australia against 90mph bowling will elect for a bat with a high middle (and one that seems higher than his normal bats).  My point was that this is not the optimum shape for a club player on soft low pitches against league bowlers.  No doubt you will still generate significant force with a high middle bat but not as much as you could with a lower middle.
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Re: Kohli's profile
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2020, 12:52:47 AM »

I can fully understand why Kholi playing on the hard bouncy  pitches in Australia against 90mph bowling will elect for a bat with a high middle (and one that seems higher than his normal bats).  My point was that this is not the optimum shape for a club player on soft low pitches against league bowlers.  No doubt you will still generate significant force with a high middle bat but not as much as you could with a lower middle.

Interestingly enough, Crictec (a brand some of you may or may not remember) sent out testing sheets to loads of people, and in the testing it was found that playing surfaces are largely irrelevant, and players hit the ball generally in the same spots on their bats irrespective of soft pitches or hard pitches.
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Re: Kohli's profile
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2020, 12:59:11 AM »

If thats the case why arent bats a uniform size all the way down the blade like a paddle, or the profile reversed with all the weight at the top to make them pickup lighter?

I agree that pressing has a big part to play but certainly not sure the shape has a totally negligible effect on performance at all.

Because at some stage you need to weigh up longevity, along with the diminishing returns on pick up.

Bats used to be a fairly uniform shape, and now are actually trending back towards that, think pro shapes or the Newbery tour.

Why did sachin use super low middled bats when playing in Australia?

Because the bats still performed from 2 inches above the toe, to an inch below the stickers, and he liked the feel of the bat with the weight down low.

Why did Adam Gilchrist use a very low middled bat despite playing the majority of his cricket (excluding internationals) in Australia against arguably some of the best and quickest seam bowlers in the world in Lee, McGrath, Tait etc.

Because the shape of the bat isnt really relevant to performance.

Its the same reason the GN scoop performs nicely - otherwise every scoop would be pony, which just isnt the case.
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