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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2021, 08:57:16 AM »

And rightly so. Considering where the limited overs teams were when he took over and where he has taken them I say give him the keys to the castle.

This sort of no-nonsense approach should have been used with KP back in that time. No one is bigger than the team

You are right no one is bigger than the team, including Morgan. If there is a feeling in the team that the majority of players would welcome him back; as mentioned by Chris Woakes, then give him a chance.
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2021, 08:58:35 AM »

Morgan is basing his decision on Hales nearly costing them a world Cup. But if he keeps the form going over the next few years (a big if I know) surely Morgan not selecting him, could potentially cost a world Cup or two.

Cutting your nose off, to spite your face.

Lets not forget its not the first time he was involved in drug use. Just the most high profile. Fairly certain he failed a Test at Notts and it was hushed away

He was also involved in the Clifton Triangle affair with Stokes and somehow evaded serious punishment for that. Kicking a man on the floor is normally punishable in court

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/amp/cricket/47780585

So plenty of chances and I dont blame Morgan atall for closing the door.

Englnds white ball batting cupboard is very well stocked so its not as if we are bringing in Donkeys.
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2021, 08:59:38 AM »

I didnt say it was mate. But for me, Morgan as captain is more important to the team than Hales playing.

Also... You only have to Google what Morgan has said on the matter.

I agree mate, the environment created by Morgan is up there to be admired, team ethos, respecting different cultures and faiths, total respect for your team mates.
And he is rightly sitting in a very powerful position to call the shots.

The question of how you handle someone who has broken that ethos is interesting in a team sport.

I see it as a similar situation to KP, ultimately I thought the team should move on without Pieterson, but totally understand the opposite viewpoint.

Hales was the reserve in the WC squad as we were so strong, had he been an essential player(stokes,butler) I wonder if it would of been the same.

I'm not defending Hales, I think he's an idiot
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2021, 09:01:54 AM »

If you look at how Hales and Stokes reacted Post-bristol I think that tells you all you need to know about their respective characters
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2021, 09:05:00 AM »

If you look at how Hales and Stokes reacted Post-bristol I think that tells you all you need to know about their respective characters

Hales got away with it somehow iagree with you. He should of been in court with Stokes.
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2021, 09:26:12 AM »

Whether you agree with the exile or not, he will NOT play for England again under Morgan, so its pointless bringing up the subject again. It gets brought up every time he has a decent knock in a t20 league game, still hasnt changed anything.

Looking at risk and reward. Is it worth the attention and drama calling him back when we are ranked 1 in the world in both white ball formats? We are obviously doing well without him.
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2021, 09:52:38 AM »

That is very true, why even take the risk. The best team is rarely the best 11 players.
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2021, 09:58:11 AM »

Counterpoint though, if Hales is absolutely demolishing top class attacks all round the world then does it not create just as much attention and drama? It's already all over the news every time he gets a score, only going to get worse the closer it gets to the T20 world cup.
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2021, 10:00:05 AM »

Deserves selection, assuming he's dealt with his problems. Would be pretty unjust if he never played for England again, particularly as his mistakes were nothing to do with the game. If it had been booze rather than drugs he'd probably never even have been dropped! Big shame as it seems he's actually even getting better.
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2021, 10:06:49 AM »

Deserves selection, assuming he's dealt with his problems. Would be pretty unjust if he never played for England again, particularly as his mistakes were nothing to do with the game. If it had been booze rather than drugs he'd probably never even have been dropped! Big shame as it seems he's actually even getting better.

Out of interest and of course purely hypothetical as none of us are any more than club selectors...

Would you of had KP back in the team after Headingley bust up and held the view you are pro cricketers this is a job and find a way to make it work?

In other words, we have all worked with people we don't like, downright rude,aggressive etc but it's your job so get on with it?

And did it mater KP was at the fag end of his career rather than in his prime?

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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2021, 10:26:40 AM »

Hes in some form at the moment! But Morgan doesnt trust him - wont happen
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2021, 11:21:46 AM »

Out of interest and of course purely hypothetical as none of us are any more than club selectors...

Would you of had KP back in the team after Headingley bust up and held the view you are pro cricketers this is a job and find a way to make it work?

In other words, we have all worked with people we don't like, downright rude,aggressive etc but it's your job so get on with it?

And did it mater KP was at the fag end of his career rather than in his prime?

Yes, I would have had him back in.  It was weak leadership from Cook in my view. 

I don't think it's healthy when a dressing room clique can influence secretion of an international team.  The best sides and the best captains find a way of working with different or more challenging personalities
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2021, 11:31:18 AM »

Yes, I would have had him back in.  It was weak leadership from Cook in my view. 

I don't think it's healthy when a dressing room clique can influence secretion of an international team.  The best sides and the best captains find a way of working with different or more challenging personalities

Totally understand that point of view, you would not be alone.
Team spirit, ethos is hard to get and easy to lose with a disruptive player, there is also a view it's the managements job to manage and if there is no way forward that's a failure of management, thou I personally was on the other side of the argument.

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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2021, 12:36:17 PM »

Do we know exactly what happened?
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2021, 12:50:07 PM »

Do we know exactly what happened?

He failed multiple drug tests and got dropped from the squad for breaching their trust in him. He hasn't been picked since. Not too much to it is there?
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