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Re: Gary Palmer
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2021, 06:35:11 AM »

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Re: Gary Palmer
« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2021, 06:47:47 AM »

As has been said, it is not true that all successful left handers score the majority of their runs on the offside, as you claimed.
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No, I didn't claim that, most left handers will punish anything on the mid to leg stumps!
What I think is, asking left handers to take a very open stance will make batter play across the line, and it will make more difficult to control offside shots.
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Re: Gary Palmer
« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2021, 07:05:49 AM »

The technique he gets you playing is an interesting one. It certainly opens up the on-side a lot more, and you will end up nailing the ball straight down the ground. However, anything through the off side is a bit more difficult, mainly because theres such a huge movement required to get in to position so youre not just throwing your hands at the ball and hoping for the best.

One thing I really noticed (and suffered with badly last season) is that my left shoulder (Im left handed) was  opening up really early, and I totally lost the ability to play down the correct line. The net result being that I got bowled 5 matches in a row, each time playing inside the ball, when I usually get bowled no more than 1-2 times per season. Im going to go back to my old technique this coming season, and see what happens. I like the idea of being a bit more open, but what he teaches is an extreme version of it.
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Re: Gary Palmer
« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2021, 07:12:34 AM »

As an off spinner I determine as quickly as possible how punishing a left handed batsman is on his middle-leg! There onwards I'll try my best to stay outside the off stumps.
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Re: Gary Palmer
« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2021, 12:54:57 PM »

If people are getting bowled or unable to play on the off side, it has nothing to do with Gary Palmer. He teaches a pretty solid method, and something has gone wrong with how youre implementing his method if you are encountering these issues.

Just one example- the open stance is only the initial setup. Youre still supposed to lead with the front shoulder when hitting on the off side - this is how Steve smith and Williamson are able to easily access the off side, despite starting off open. And getting bowled should be out of the question- the whole point of his stance is to easily play the full straight ball...if youre getting bowled youre making a huge error that has very likely NOT been taught by Palmer.

If I had to offer a wild guess, it would be that most likely, these problems are occurring because: 1- your right hip is coming through too early (causing you to slice across the line of the ball) and/or 2- you are staying rigid and overly committed to his starting position. By this I mean, that youre set up to deal with the full straight ball, but when the line is outside off, youre keeping your shoulders pointing to the leg side instead of leading with the front shoulder to the new line of the ball.... and 3- you might be playing waaaay too early and lunging at the ball instead of playing the ball under your eyes. This last point might be partially Gary Palmers fault as he does do a lot of bowling machine drills, and if you arent careful, hitting too much against the machine can begin to encourage the bad habit of playing too early and your contact points can drift further and further in front of you (instead of right under your eyes).

Its almost certainly not Gary - its you.. :)



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Re: Gary Palmer
« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2021, 06:32:54 PM »

^ Excellent post! Dipping your left shoulder (for a right handed batsman) is the key.
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Re: Gary Palmer
« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2021, 07:48:34 PM »

If people are getting bowled or unable to play on the off side, it has nothing to do with Gary Palmer. He teaches a pretty solid method, and something has gone wrong with how youre implementing his method if you are encountering these issues.

Just one example- the open stance is only the initial setup. Youre still supposed to lead with the front shoulder when hitting on the off side - this is how Steve smith and Williamson are able to easily access the off side, despite starting off open. And getting bowled should be out of the question- the whole point of his stance is to easily play the full straight ball...if youre getting bowled youre making a huge error that has very likely NOT been taught by Palmer.

If I had to offer a wild guess, it would be that most likely, these problems are occurring because: 1- your right hip is coming through too early (causing you to slice across the line of the ball) and/or 2- you are staying rigid and overly committed to his starting position. By this I mean, that youre set up to deal with the full straight ball, but when the line is outside off, youre keeping your shoulders pointing to the leg side instead of leading with the front shoulder to the new line of the ball.... and 3- you might be playing waaaay too early and lunging at the ball instead of playing the ball under your eyes. This last point might be partially Gary Palmers fault as he does do a lot of bowling machine drills, and if you arent careful, hitting too much against the machine can begin to encourage the bad habit of playing too early and your contact points can drift further and further in front of you (instead of right under your eyes).

Its almost certainly not Gary - its you.. :)
You only forgot Southpawmark is a left handed batsman.
Don't matter who the coach is, telling a left handed batters to adopt a wide open stance is not got at all.
Especially if they'd playing at high level!
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Re: Gary Palmer
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2021, 09:06:21 PM »

I would like to clarify that at no point did I blame Gary Palmer for playing down the wrong line or getting bowled. I merely stated that the technique accentuated the opening up of my shoulders.

It was more than likely down to muscle memory... you deliberately make the change, your body starts to get used to it, but you are still consciously trying to get in to the prime position, and then you end up going too far. Gary would have likely spotted this immediately and rectified it.
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Re: Gary Palmer
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2021, 09:36:24 PM »

You only forgot Southpawmark is a left handed batsman.
Don't matter who the coach is, telling a left handed batters to adopt a wide open stance is not got at all.
Especially if they'd playing at high level!

David Warner: https://youtu.be/n8QOhGrZkEw

Graeme Smith: https://youtu.be/8bySE4qDCJ8

Brian Lara: https://youtu.be/bbZdkBLYcak

Andrew Strauss: https://youtu.be/hgG_cr_fFWs

All slightly (to more pronounced) open on release. The reason is that whether youre left handed or right handed, you still need to be able to access the full straight ball. For lefties in particular, there is a greater threat, from RH bowlers swinging it back into their pads or from going round the wicket. All well and good to be smashing cover drives, but if youre not set up to play the straight/on-drive, youre a walking wicket. This is why The slightly open stance and alignment to mid on is a very non-controversial, and very standard set up. Not sure why youve started a war against it.
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Re: Gary Palmer
« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2021, 06:01:06 AM »

Im sure he coached cook and he score a few with more open stance

Its about being comfortable at the crease, what ever gets you in the best position to access the ball with full face. Doesnt matter if open/closed we are all different and as we have seen at top level its about position when you hit the thing not where you start
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Re: Gary Palmer
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2021, 04:11:22 PM »

Access to the ball most people close themselves off with the front dog so have to cut down on the ball leg side.

Battling alignment is key and that is what is being taught

Access to the ball is key his method allows better access but it will take time as others have said muscle memory is key as this method he shows will result in being bowled more or missing out on the off side a touch more if your lazy footing(planting)as I call it.

Open stance for me slightly makes me play later and stops the front foot creeping across into a planted front foot

Then put your front leg slightly backward (ie open) you can access the ball and play with a straight bat not a chop down.

it about not limiting your access to the ball if your front foot goes across you can't access the ball unless it a chop.

I talk to myself in a innings and it always about access to the ball.




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Re: Gary Palmer
« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2021, 04:18:20 PM »

Well Ive booked 3 hours with him at the end of the month!
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Re: Gary Palmer
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2021, 07:31:03 PM »

Take plasters best tip I can give

Also it will feel weird and wrong but go with it to start with as feels easier as you go on
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Re: Gary Palmer
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2021, 05:11:12 PM »

Went yesterday, what a great setup and what a great coach! Absolutely loved it!
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Re: Gary Palmer
« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2021, 01:18:32 PM »

Went yesterday, what a great setup and what a great coach! Absolutely loved it!

How and when did you book? I emailed him a few weeks ago and got no reply
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