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Re: Online Stockist
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2021, 10:42:42 AM »

I MASSIVELY respect anyone running their own business currently and have bought from Solitaire,Choice,Willostix etc in the past,and doubt i`d ever order a bat from OLS but have done so for softs in the past,and never had anything other than authentic,genuine and 100% satisfaction.
I`d suggest that when punters see virtually the same Pad and glove design for 50-60% less,and to a lesser degree bags/duffles,if they`ve taken the leap of faith,they`ve  be en rewarded..market forces/consumerism,rules,i fear
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Re: Online Stockist
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2021, 12:53:06 PM »

The next time there's a post with people complaining about the lack of interaction from sponsors, I'm just going to link back to this thread - this is exactly why people don't bother to sponsor or interact with the forum anymore, Online Stockist couldn't be further away from what "CBF" supposedly stands for (and I'm not a sponsor before anyone moans!)

Having started playing in the days when your kit was limited to what your local sports shop would stock or, if you were lucky, any bat makers local to you, the Internet has been fanatic for gaining access to kit for new businesses around the country.  There are items I would not have but but seeing them on the forum.

The other side of it is that it gives you access to all those items that may in the past have been more difficult to get hold of.  I have a pair or coloured pads through OLS which I would have bought in the UK but no brand I contacted at the time - including GN - had them for sale.  I also recently purchased 3 different inner thigh pads in an effort to get a set up with my Strettons that worked.

It may be different for other people, but for me, they are operating in different areas
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Re: Online Stockist
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2021, 01:14:32 PM »

I should probably add as I didn't really explain myself, I have no issue with OLS and totally appreciate they have a place in the market which many will utilise.

It's just CBF was supposed to be the "Custom Bats Forum". Championing British brands, especially those who make their bats from the raw cleft, whereas lately it just appears to be totally the opposite (and thus less input from the brands it was initially aimed at!).
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Re: Online Stockist
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2021, 01:21:13 PM »

I should probably add as I didn't really explain myself, I have no issue with OLS and totally appreciate they have a place in the market which many will utilise.

It's just CBF was supposed to be the "Custom Bats Forum". Championing British brands, especially those who make their bats from the raw cleft, whereas lately it just appears to be totally the opposite (and thus less input from the brands it was initially aimed at!).

Having been on here pretty much from day dot and having owned my own 'brand' of sorts its unforuately a catch22 situation.  If sponsors don't participate and actively input into the forum then discussions on here will drift away from those brands... and towards others that can offer decent deals like OLS - that's just the way it is...
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Re: Online Stockist
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2021, 01:27:29 PM »

It's just CBF was supposed to be the "Custom Bats Forum". Championing British brands, especially those who make their bats from the raw cleft, whereas lately it just appears to be totally the opposite (and thus less input from the brands it was initially aimed at!).
TBH we created it because the old Cricket Supplies forum stopped anyone talking about other brands which weren't stocked by them, which at the time Leo and I wanted to be championing Fusion, Laver and Redback.

So while to an extent you're right, I'm also not 100% sure restricting members to only talking about certain sponsors or brands is ever a good idea. Particularly as that 'censorship' (and i hate that word) was the reason we started it.
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Re: Online Stockist
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2021, 02:05:44 PM »

I should probably add as I didn't really explain myself, I have no issue with OLS and totally appreciate they have a place in the market which many will utilise.

It's just CBF was supposed to be the "Custom Bats Forum". Championing British brands, especially those who make their bats from the raw cleft, whereas lately it just appears to be totally the opposite (and thus less input from the brands it was initially aimed at!).

Obviously other brands/retailers get discussed but speaking from personal experience the forum has definitely opened my eyes to a lot of smaller brands. Currently I've got a few pairs of gloves from OLS but the forum has also led me to buying kit from Neon, H4L, Red Ink, Scott, Robert James, Reaper, BlankBats, Select, Duck&Run, etc.

Likelihood is without CBF I'd never have bought from any of those brands and would have spent my money with Gray Nics, Kookaburra, GM.

So, while I take your point that it would be nice to see a bit more discussion and support for the little guys, there's definitely still a level of support for them coming via the forum.
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Re: Online Stockist
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2021, 02:32:50 PM »

I should probably add as I didn't really explain myself, I have no issue with OLS and totally appreciate they have a place in the market which many will utilise.

It's just CBF was supposed to be the "Custom Bats Forum". Championing British brands, especially those who make their bats from the raw cleft, whereas lately it just appears to be totally the opposite (and thus less input from the brands it was initially aimed at!).
Don't you source your bats and softs from Indian market and sell here in UK? Correct me if I am wrong
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Re: Online Stockist
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2021, 03:12:38 PM »

The next time there's a post with people complaining about the lack of interaction from sponsors, I'm just going to link back to this thread - this is exactly why people don't bother to sponsor or interact with the forum anymore, Online Stockist couldn't be further away from what "CBF" supposedly stands for (and I'm not a sponsor before anyone moans!)

In addition to this though its not the easiest option to become a sponsor. Having started my own brand last year and hand shaping bats i did enquire about it as I have been on here a number of years now and thought it would be good to try and offer some Sponsor input but its quote a hard task to do really from the list of requirements that were set. Also worth noting that there are now a couple of others in Scott Cricket and Reaper that are really trying to offer some input and share pics of what they like me are offering and bar maybe one or two 1 line posts there isnt 2 pages of comments or views or feedback like this can get about some gloves from OLS.

Worth noting that certainly H4L and B3 are now far bigger brands than when they advertised on here and the time they can focus on here is limited ( doesnt explain zero content however) but also i wonder how many messages they got for cleft pics, bats being designed to the tiniest detail, wanting a discount etc that never materialised into a sale so total waste of time, Hell iv had at least 5 who have messaged, sent pics argued about price, finally agreed or got beaten into submission and agreed a price and then never pay or reply again.

Catch 22 basically
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Re: Online Stockist
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2021, 03:30:03 PM »

Don't you source your bats and softs from Indian market and sell here in UK? Correct me if I am wrong

Yes (on the most part, but not all) - which is why I said "Championing British brands, especially those who make their bats from the raw cleft" - at no point did I say I make my bats, christ I haven't even got the skills to build a workbench let alone work off one :D. I'm also not a CBF sponsor, if anything I'm trying to stick up for those who are but that appears to have been lost in translation somewhere.
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Re: Online Stockist
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2021, 06:19:28 PM »

I would have never used OLS back in the day, however, when its costing 200 for a set of pads and gloves from even small brands I think its becoming a bit of a joke. Why would people pay double or triple the amount for the same pair of gloves with a different logo stitched on? Its not exactly like bats where you are paying for the craftsmanship etc, all of the pads and gloves are pretty much made side by side in India! If anything I think OLS shows us how big the margins must be on some of these items. And before anyone says it I appreciate every company has overheads etc but when 100 for a pair of gloves comes the norm I think weve gone a bit too far!
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Re: Online Stockist
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2021, 07:20:39 PM »

I am totally with @Neon Cricket and @SOULMAN1012 on their comments.


However, if people want to buy from Ajit, then the gamble you take for the price; is that it never turns up, turns up late, turns up damaged, or turns up as expected. Your call if you want to risk it and have absolutely ZERO chance of aftersales service.
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Re: Online Stockist
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2021, 08:51:23 PM »

are you not covered by paypal if you use it to pay for your goods on onlinestockist?
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Re: Online Stockist
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2021, 09:13:01 PM »

As someone from the continental side of Europe this discussion is going to be even wilder now post Brexit. When customs and toll from India can amount to about the same when importing from the UK. Especially with the lack of variaty and supply on the continent we are pretty much forced to look towards the subcontinent for our gear. Bats, softs, even balls have to be imported some way or the other.


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Re: Online Stockist
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2021, 02:15:36 AM »

I've been pretty mild mannered on this forum to date.  Tried to help where I can.  But a couple of posts on this thread have annoyed me.  Not annoyed me as much as our handling of COVID or the inequality of income distribution around the world. But annoyed me in comparison to the vast majority of stuff I've read on the forum.  So here is my Jerry Maguire piece.

The next time there's a post with people complaining about the lack of interaction from sponsors, I'm just going to link back to this thread - this is exactly why people don't bother to sponsor or interact with the forum anymore, Online Stockist couldn't be further away from what "CBF" supposedly stands for (and I'm not a sponsor before anyone moans!)

I should probably add as I didn't really explain myself, I have no issue with OLS and totally appreciate they have a place in the market which many will utilise.

It's just CBF was supposed to be the "Custom Bats Forum". Championing British brands, especially those who make their bats from the raw cleft, whereas lately it just appears to be totally the opposite (and thus less input from the brands it was initially aimed at!).

@Neon Cricket, I would love to give you the benefit of the doubt on these.  As you wrote later, maybe something has got lost in translation.  But I can't I'm afraid. There just seems to be too much vitriol for it to be a question of wording.

Tom has already debunked that CBF is just for "British" companies.  He helped set it up to open up discussion on crickets brands, not restrict it.  I really value the breadth of brands on the forum.  The fact that it includes also posts about training, management of club affairs, thoughts on international matches as well.  It's interesting and useful.

Secondly, I think you have vastly misread your audience if you believe you'll get much empathy that forumites are to blame for sponsors, retail stockists and individual brands failing to interact because, for instance, there is an active discussion about an Indian supplier.  A somewhat tricky position to defend when you, by your own admission, resell Indian supplied goods.

I'll now quote the last post on the thread that annoyed me and then wrap things together hopefully with a little useful advice.

Also worth noting that there are now a couple of others in Scott Cricket and Reaper that are really trying to offer some input and share pics of what they like me are offering and bar maybe one or two 1 line posts there isnt 2 pages of comments or views or feedback like this can get about some gloves from OLS.

Hell iv had at least 5 who have messaged, sent pics argued about price, finally agreed or got beaten into submission and agreed a price and then never pay or reply again.

Catch 22 basically

I was involved in a discussion about cricket bags a couple of weeks ago.  I pleaded for any suppliers on the forum to get involved in the discussion.  The silence was deafening.

For a small, medium or even large business a forum like this can provide not only sales leads, but really valuable insight about what we are thinking about with our kit and our cricketing lives in general.

Take soups. Fresh soups, canned soups, vegetable soups, broths etc. Is there a soup drinkers forum?  Not that I can find. So soup manufacturers get their information from sales analysis, analysis of their competitors' sales (if they can get it), market research, and product research.  That all costs money. Actually quite a lot of money and probably too much for most small and medium sized businesses.

So Neon Cricket and Soulman, this forum can give you first hand research at the cost of some of your time, and even better quality research if you get involved and ask the right questions.  So what, if we're discussing what an Indian supplier provides?  Look at what we're purchasing and understand why. Read, listen, and think.  Innovate and offer things that are not homogenous and come down to price. And that includes products, after sales service, pre sales service to name a couple.  It might even get to a level of understanding where you accept that you can't compete on a particular product and no longer stock it.  At least you won't be losing money on it.

Coming back to my plea on cricket bags, more members than I imagined said they were willing to spend a decent amount of money on a bag, but wanted it to last for longer than a season or two, and didn't care so much about platinum lined beer holders, or ocean fried shoe compartments.  My particular gripe was zips on cricket bags. Something that for an extra 4 or so to get YKK versions, means the bag won't be useless after a season and, I'm pretty certain would be a winner with us, and a winner for you if you're quick to market.

Yes, it is tough to run your own business. The effort you have to put in just to keep afloat can be exhausting.  Then a pandemic comes along and sales drop off.  And to top it all off some of us customers can be a royal pain in the bottom. We can be demanding, uncertain, flighty and tight.  But it is a buyers market unfortunately and you have to keep at it despite the setbacks.  There is no easy money to be made right now.  There will be, that's the way of the economic cycle.  But not right now.

If it helps, think about the alternative - sitting in an office all day, with a tosspot of a boss, demanding to know why some dull spreadsheet hasn't been updated five minutes after they've asked and so stand behind you whilst you do it and offer the wisdom of their experience from 20 years ago.
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Re: Online Stockist
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2021, 04:28:06 AM »

^ great post and I wholeheartedly agree.
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