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SouthpawMark

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Re: How often has it happened?
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2021, 04:44:52 PM »

The stiffer more plastic type of face sheets like hammer edge are about 0.75oz and the helicopter scuff sheets are around 0.4oz.  Adding a toe guard will be around 0.25oz as well, so you could add in the region of 1oz to a bat by fitting a scuff sheet and toe guard.

Were not talking about toe guards. Obviously they will make more of a difference as they are at the very end of the opposite end youre holding - basic physics. A scuff sheet is a tiny amount of weight, spread evenly across a large surface area. Ive just weighed one - 12g, and thats including the backing sheet. I reckon the backing sheet makes up 1/3 of the total weight, so youre talking 8g or 0.28oz.

If anyone says they can feel the difference between a bat that weighs 2lb 10oz and 2lb 10.28oz then they are speaking utter nonsense. However, Paul from IJC will probably give you a job.  :D
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Re: How often has it happened?
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2021, 05:18:48 PM »

Interesting you're weighing a scuff much less, mine were weighed after removal. I'm certainly not trying to say you can feel a .25oz difference, I'm just saying a collective weight of circa 1oz (your add on's may vary) is not really negligible. It's certainly not major either!
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Re: How often has it happened?
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2021, 06:22:40 PM »

If you truly want the answer, get a digital food scale and weigh time to time. In my experience, bats do gain/lose weight (up to 1 oz). Also depends on where your bats are coming from, and what the humidity level of the origin is relative to yours - this is why any bat I get from the Uk, drops 1-1.5oz here in North America (houses are drier due to heating during winters), whereas Indian bats dont show much change. Also, a bat that is newly manufactured, will have more moisture to lose than something thats been sitting on the shelf for a year.

Get a scale and track the changes - going by feel isnt enough as the same weight can feel lighter/heavier on different days.

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Re: How often has it happened?
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2021, 06:27:47 PM »

Were not talking about toe guards. Obviously they will make more of a difference as they are at the very end of the opposite end youre holding - basic physics. A scuff sheet is a tiny amount of weight, spread evenly across a large surface area. Ive just weighed one - 12g, and thats including the backing sheet. I reckon the backing sheet makes up 1/3 of the total weight, so youre talking 8g or 0.28oz.

If anyone says they can feel the difference between a bat that weighs 2lb 10oz and 2lb 10.28oz then they are speaking utter nonsense. However, Paul from IJC will probably give you a job.  :D

The clear sheets are closer to 0.5 oz. @SurreySam is correct. The fibre sheets are much lighter at 0.25oz. I think GM sheets are a smidge thinner than the other clear sheets, and are about 0.35 oz (thats how much the removed Stokes sheet weighed when I took it off).

And each person is different - to me 0.3 oz does make a difference in feel. Inzimam was famous for just grabbing any bat lying around and going out to play - he didnt care about the weight at all. To each their own. Rather than telling people they are speaking nonsense for being able to tell the difference in 0.3-0.5 oz, let them decide on their own.
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Re: How often has it happened?
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2021, 06:28:37 PM »

Get a scale and track the changes - going by feel isn’t enough as the same weight can feel lighter/heavier on different days.
This is actually what I'm experiencing but why? That's what I want to know, has this got to do how body muscles are feeling or arm muscles, tiredness? There must be some exploration for this, it doesn't seem that bat is weighting differently every other day
« Last Edit: March 24, 2021, 07:09:11 PM by AJ2014 »
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Re: How often has it happened?
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2021, 07:46:09 PM »

This is actually what I'm experiencing but why? That's what I want to know, has this got to do how body muscles are feeling or arm muscles, tiredness? There must be some exploration for this, it doesn't seem that bat is weighting differently every other day

Its both from my experience.  I do have a set of digital scales which I have used to weigh bats for the sake of curiosity. They do fluctuate both up and down to a surprising degree.

In terms of how heavy they feel when you use them, your perception will also fluctuate based on muscle fatigue and recovery.  If I pick up a bat the day after I have been doing pull ups which fatigue the muscles in the forearms, it feels far heavier than 2 days letter when the muscles have repaired.
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Re: How often has it happened?
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2021, 07:58:57 PM »

Its both from my experience.  I do have a set of digital scales which I have used to weigh bats for the sake of curiosity. They do fluctuate both up and down to a surprising degree.

In terms of how heavy they feel when you use them, your perception will also fluctuate based on muscle fatigue and recovery.  If I pick up a bat the day after I have been doing pull ups which fatigue the muscles in the forearms, it feels far heavier than 2 days letter when the muscles have repaired.
Thanks for sharing SD.
So after lifting light weights arm elbow and shoulder feel good, picking up bat later on the day or next day feels heavier, that's what might have been happening.
but then, if lifting not even light weights, then how will I get a stronger/arms? Not only batting, but for bowling and throwin the ball?
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Re: How often has it happened?
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2021, 08:35:29 PM »

Thanks for sharing SD.
So after lifting light weights arm elbow and shoulder feel good, picking up bat later on the day or next day feels heavier, that's what might have been happening.
but then, if lifting not even light weights, then how will I get a stronger/arms? Not only batting, but for bowling and throwin the ball?

Simple solution as a quick fix prior to nets /games - shadow bat with 2 bats held together, then switch to the bat youre using.
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Re: How often has it happened?
« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2021, 08:47:35 PM »

Simple solution as a quick fix prior to nets /games - shadow bat with 2 bats held together, then switch to the bat youre using.
That's simple solution for you man! 😀😀😀
For me impossible!
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Re: How often has it happened?
« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2021, 08:55:37 PM »

That's simple solution for you man! 😀😀😀
For me impossible!

Or get a weighted bar. There is no other way to make the bat feel lighter prior to going out to bat. Other players will vary their grip - lower if the bat is feeling too heavy, higher if feeling too light. After a certain point, youre just overthinking things.
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Re: How often has it happened?
« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2021, 09:07:18 PM »

Or get a weighted bar. There is no other way to make the bat feel lighter prior to going out to bat. Other players will vary their grip - lower if the bat is feeling too heavy, higher if feeling too light. After a certain point, youre just overthinking things.
Guess me getting old, has to do with this
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Re: How often has it happened?
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2021, 09:11:27 PM »

But this question arises, do I totally stop lifting weight, even light weights?
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Re: How often has it happened?
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2021, 09:20:25 PM »

But miss question arises, do I totally stop lifting weight, even light weights?

No, its good to lift just make sure you give yourself enough rest before training or a match so your muscles recover from the soreness. Diet can be vital too.
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Re: How often has it happened?
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2021, 09:34:34 PM »

No, its good to lift just make sure you give yourself enough rest before training or a match so your muscles recover from the soreness. Diet can be vital too.
This is good advise, I'll try to handle myself with more care 👍
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Re: How often has it happened?
« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2021, 10:44:28 PM »

Or be like the madman I used to play football with - who would run a 10K 'for fun' then come play a full football match right after - and lift weights on the days you have cricket training and matches.

Realistically, if you are as you say getting older, it'll take longer to recover from any challenging exercise so just allow more time for recovery and it'll be fine.
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